Bengel, sorry if I came across sounding offended, I didn't mean to. It's just that those under 30k cars did exist, and not that long ago. I guess know one took advantage of their "buy it now price" and that's why they're not showing up on a search of ebay. As I said, the one near me sold off the showroom floor before the auction had a chance to finish. So I guess ebay doesn't list that as a sale either. Those cars were posted during the cold weather months also. Dealers have a way of shoving prices up along with the thermometer, since the warm weather brings out the car buyers, usually.
Here in Akron Ohio, I have a cousin that had a pretty successful used car lot, for about 20 years. Every fall before the leaves were off the trees, he would shut down for the winter months, and fly south. Opened for business by April 1st. That's why I tell everybody to shop in the North East for those Roadsters, and any sports car for that matter, because the "snowed" in dealers are a little more interested in those "low ball" offers when they haven't seen a customer for days on end.