no its no the first time i've heard someone say it on here it is said in different words, on the daily...just while out street racing, at a strip, or anywhere else have i heard anyone say lets take it to twisties.

i'm not calling you a ricer but spouting out that its an unfair advantage is stupid (ie: f/i, n2o, or ci).

i guess that's the difference though, i think of my xf as my daily beater while quite a bit on here look at it as their sunny day car.