Thanks mrmiata great post ! The big problem is I can't talk to anyone ! Ha ha ! I am old school to where I expect to verbally communicate with someone to get warm and fuzzy about what I am buying. But I am giving them the benefit of the doubt with it being the holidays. My daughter is home from college and I can focus on her ( as I should ) and start calling again next week. I love this forum , I wish I had all this access to information " back in the day" when I was heavy into the street. Sure would have saved a BUNCH of money ! Yes oledoc2u I am slowly getting my feet wet . Thanks for all the help ! Tim