you guys are married to the wrong type woman,, when i saw a ctsv on tv and said i wanted to buy one my wife said sell the crossfire(V6 at that time),sell the camry and go get the ctsv,,, i said nope i had rather get a V8 put in the crossfire,, she then said call Rudy and get it done. owning 397 two seater AMX's i guess she knew when it comes to cars , i am going to get what i want with her blessing,,, happy valentines day to everyone. jim