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Default Need Advice on IC Pump Problem

All,
I have been struggling with troubleshooting my IC Pump problem. It's not the normal failed pump or fuse problem.

Symptoms
  • The symptoms are identical to the IC Pump problem (have had this before and fixed it - I inadvertently caused this when I tested autocrossing it with the traction control disabled at the electrical block by the battery)
  • When the car gets hot, after 3-4 pulls, the super charger stops engaging
  • Pump is not on when car runs, even when hot, even when RPMS come above 2000
The Problem is Not
  • The Pump
  • The Impeller
  • The ground
  • The Fuse
I Know Because I Have Tested
  • Connected a jumper wire directly to the battery to manually get power to the pump. When I do this, I can drive the car all day long and the SC never cuts out. As soon, as I disconnect the jumper wire, the water gets hot and the SC cuts out within three hard pulls. Happens like clockwork [1].
  • Have done the relay jumper always on mod [4]. Wired pins 2 and 7 together on the N65 block, which causes the pump to come on and operate when the key is in the on position.
  • Have logged intake air temps. The SC cuts out at ~205F and will come back on when intake air temps drop below `185F. With the pump hard wired, or the relay always on mod, the intake air temps are pegged at ~120F, which is exactly as expected if the pump is working and the impeller is in tact.
  • Have done (temporarily) the fuse always on mod [2] (doesn't work because it's the relay).
  • Have connected a 2 amp charger directly to the IC Pump wires and the pump comes on and pumps water when I squeeze hose (so I know the pump is good. Video for good measure [3].
  • Tested power on both sides of fuse 13 (IC Pump fuse), so I know power is getting through the fuse, getting 14 volts on both sides of the fuse (also did the mod above just to make sure)
  • Changed the fuse just to make sure
  • Tried revving car about 2000 RPMs for a while to try and get the pump to come on
  • Have been feeling the pump with my hand (so I am definitely sure when it is coming on and not coming on)
Open Questions
  • Could it be the relay on the PBU?
  • Should I take it to the dealership to try and troubleshoot? (I fear they will not come to the right conclusion)
  • Should I just run a separate circuit to the pump?
  • Has anybody else had this problem?
  • How the heck do I test the relay?
Other Notes
  • The IC pump is a Johnson CM30 and it is working fine [1]
Next Step
  • Figure out how to replace the relay
I'm open to any and all ideas. My brain hurts, never seen this one before :-)

[1]: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0p9r9m8ov...fa8flFvEa?dl=0
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[4]: https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...-question.html
 

Last edited by scottevil; Sep 26, 2018 at 12:24 PM.
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