So I have been experimenting with the traction control, i.e. turning it off, because I have been hearing from you guys and magazines that it still intrudes even when it is off. So the other night I turned it off and made a quick right with a good amount of power on to kick the rear end out. Holy crap, the traction control let me just about spin all the way around! Scared me a little, but I chose a place where there was no cars, so it was safe and all, but I was really (pleasantly) surprised at how much the T/C will let you go when its turned off.