I have been reading just bout al I can find on CAIs. NeedsWings, TVT, K&N, ShadeTree, MAI, Short, Long, Wrapped, Dual, Single,etc, etc. I don't like the looks of the NeedsWings and TVT single tube intakes however efficient they may be. The short tube duals look more asthetically pleasing except that they are on the engine side of the radiator, thus are full of hot air. There are several dual COLD AIR INTAKES in front of the radiator which appear to be fully efficient and functional, HOWEVER, K&N, NeedsWings and TVT all denounce these from highway/road use.
INJEN and K&N both have recently offered "Shower Caps", (my words) that are water repellant and do not hinder breathing.
I would like to know a NO BS reasoning why the filters mounted in front of the radiator with "Shower Caps" will not have roadworthy results in varied weather conditions.
What will the air flow effects be utlizing the OEM engine cover and Air Boxes with the original or K&N filters removed and filters placed in front of the radiator?


ala CopyCat

OR ala BORICAN

 

well, you dont' like what I have, so I will just say this, my K&N does set in front of the radiator and I don't have any problems w/ water...you can do many things, but I like learning from the engineering of others w/ a lot of test and tune info behind it...no reason to bolt something on there that looks good, but doesn't perform...just my .02 cents...

 

In deference to your age( ) I have a N/A LTD Coupe, no racing but drive hard within my limits. If K&N and NeedsWings say (in small print, NOT for Road or Highway use) it tweaks my curiosity. I didn't see your installation so can't say I didn't like it. I looked at hundreds of images and only posted two examples. My criteria are: Keep OEM Engine Cover, Keep Dual "Snorkles",
Install Filters in front of radiator, use car in inclement weather. Thanks for your input.

John P

 

I think they say not for road & highway use only for legal means... maybe they could be liable for something if they were to sell it for regular road use...

 

Roger on that. Figured it was a CYA thing, along with the Left Coast Smog controls.
PS: This was left off my original post....
Safeguard your high-flow air filter without sacrificing performance. Injen's nearly water proof Hydro Shield repels water and other microscopic debris while still maintaining smooth airflow. Available in Red, Blue and Black. Lifetime Warranty. Read More
Priced from $22.95 each

These are INJEN. K&N has come out with a smilar item. As one person noted, "they are expensive nylon panties", but if they keep the water out, what the hey?

A lot of ingenious people out there, I'm still on the drawing board and Charley the Tuna is helping so I'd like to get it right the first time. Thankz

John P

 

those are fine and makes sense...I wouldn't hesitate to use one on mine...as for your n/a and engine cover, you wouldn't probably like the needswings as you would have to modify your cover, but the performance is there even for your model...and I think any cai mod is going to improve your performance...good luck on your choice...and I am looking for more performance is why I choose the way I went...just giving you my opinion

 

I've been running the NeedsWings CAI for just about a year now.

I live in michigan, and have driven through flooded roads, torrential downpours, snow, sleet, dusty roads, etc. etc. Hell......I even forgot one day and blasted the thing with a pressure washer from the local quarter car wash.

I have yet to have a problem with the CAI, and have removed it multiple times to check the inside of the tube for debris, grit, dirt, or water spots. I've never found any.

Maybe you don't like the aesthetics, and there's nothing anyone can do about that. If you're interested in performance, the NeedsWings CAI WILL drop .5 seconds off your quarter mile times. That has been proven by me and many others.

Hope this helps.

 

Didn't intend to get into a slingin' contest, as I said in the original post
I'm sure the efficiency is not to be controverted, and I don't race, and I have a NA Ltd coupe. I enjoy my car, and an extra poof here and there is not objectionable, but if I wanted to race I would trade my Clone for an SRT-4. Having said that, and having lived in Michigan (Clinton Twsp) for 9 years, and having raced at Milan when Connie K was driving a *****'s, I do know a little about the scene and the weather. The following is a quote from the NeedsWings ad, "Details

Designed and built in "Motor City" Detroit Michigan, we used the finest materials for creating this world class part. Our SRT6 Crossfire Cold Air Intake system replaces the factory intake system completely. We use 6061 Mandrel bent 3" Aluminum tubing along with a high quality 4-ply silicone coupler and a K&N cone filter that can flow up to 900cfm mounted just behind the grill. This system has picked up tremendous gains on the srt6 platform (check before/after dyno sheet below). As an added benefit the supercharger "whine" is very apparent now at wide open throttle yet still quiet when daily driving.

Install should take about one hour (most of that will be removing the factory components).

The Passenger side horn and the power steering cooling line need to be relocated with our supplied brackets.

A valve cover breather hose is also included to be routed into our intake (same setup as factory).

This product carries our three year warranty against manufacturer defects and is sold for off road use only." This was my question, and guess it's a CYA Statement. My engine drowns, it's my fault....

John P

 

well John...if you really did use it for off road, it prolly would...but, I have driven mine in the rain many times, no problem...but I think the covers would work fine...and I understand you wanting the duals and the look and all....I hung my cover on wall in my garage...I like seeing the supercharger...and the needswings cai...I keep my engine bay spotless...I remove the catch pan piece of plastic from under the engine as well, let more air in...its all about cooling to me...the engine cover to me just keeps heat in...so everyone is after something a little different on here..I still enjoy playing hard ....so good luck with which ever way you go. I am sure it will look good and perform good for you...

 

Not entirely sure where you get my post as a "slingin contest"?

To be honest......anymore, I'm not sure what you wanted by starting this thread at all?

I just posted my thoughts about the CAI which I have a good deal of experience.

At any rate.....best of luck, I won't be back!

 

ap you need to concentrate on your avatar and breath slowly....this guy is 77 and wanting to mod his car, I hope I am still doin' that @ 77 among other things related to your avatar.....

 

Thnx for the lift deputy Doc. You know the old saying "It takes me all nite now, to do what I used to do all nite". Just wanna be sure Ole Miss Daisy Don't Drown whilst I'm driving it home.

John P

 

trust me, she won't...

 

Agree.

FTroopChief, don't you remember trickling water down the carb to clean out the engine? I've done it plenty of times even with fuel injected cars w/o problems. Your baby would have to ingest quite a bit of water to lock it up and do damage.
Go for it!

 

tighed1 Saw your pics earlier this week but didn't understand tube with all the holes. Is that unique to the SRT-6?
I used to use a plant mister with a touch of rubbing alcohol in it. Koff, Koff.
Not worried about getting water all the way thru the snorkels to the engine, but more so like choking the engine with saturated filters. Doesn't sound like it will be a problem tho. Thanks for old memories.

John P.

 

Hi All
Well may be you could keep the flat filters in the air box & just port the tubes to in front of the rad'

Worked for me , I had some stainless steel bent up & painted , removed the plastic bit each side of the rad & used rubber 90' to get around the rad .


Cheers

Andy

 

Yep, SRT only I guess.

 

Hi Chief,

Just to clarify the terminology "for off road use only". It is used to legally sell these items in states that have emissions laws. The laws vary state to state so sellers just put that in as a catch all for all states. That saves them from rather expensive testing and any penalties for selling an untested/unapproved emissions device. The terminology has nothing to do with the effectiveness or ability to work on normal driving conditions. This is the official word from a California BAR representative.

Here in California anything in front of the PCV breather is fair game. Any modification can be made in front of the breather tube going to the valve cover.

I also would like to keep my cover and get better beathing. After all the engine is only a large air pump. I too will be experimenting with other solutions. Who says you have to go in front of the radiator. Think outside the box!!

Hope this helps.

 

From all my 39 years of driving experience, short rams have always worked out better for me. Especially whenever I test them out at the tracks. If the CAI folks don't agree, do what I have done while sitting in between runs at the track, turn your CAI into a short ram for a few runs.

 

There is a "method" to Mimi05SRT6's "Madness"

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