Gas Crisis in the Late 70's
Originally Posted by blackberry
Hey don't be knocking those Dodges... I"m on a one month vacation and I have my 2004 Dodge Cummins who I call RAMBO, pulling my fifth wheel. I just got over 14 miles to the gallon on on tank in Missouri/ Illinois and over 13 in Kentucky. I get 11.5 in Colorado pulling and 22 in town whether I want it or not. It has its purpose and I'm going to use it until I can't go no more. lol
I agree we are stuck paying what ever the market will allow but thats economics... I do believe that as the pressure of the market on houses, food, etc. becomes so extreme the price of gas will begin to stabalize
I agree we are stuck paying what ever the market will allow but thats economics... I do believe that as the pressure of the market on houses, food, etc. becomes so extreme the price of gas will begin to stabalize
Real trucks have duallys, manual transmissions and say Cummins on the side!
roadster with a stick
Last edited by Franc Rauscher; Jun 11, 2008 at 12:14 PM.
Originally Posted by Brent
From the ever trustworthy Wikipedia:
81 - 89 Town Car weighed 4044.
90 - 97 Town Car weighed 4040.
I couldn't find weights for comparable Cadillacs but I imagine they were similar.
The land barge comment was not from CR but the article did emphasize that cars were getting bigger and heavier right when gas prices were rising sharply and there were concerns over the supply of gas. What's funny is that 4000 lbs is not out of line today considering how much a 300, Charger or Challenger weigh.
I remember a new car owner was suing either the EPA or the car manufacture sometime around 1990 because his estimated city mileage was way off. I think his car was a Town Car and he was getting around 7 MPG in the city even though the EPA had rated his car good for something like 15.
81 - 89 Town Car weighed 4044.
90 - 97 Town Car weighed 4040.
I couldn't find weights for comparable Cadillacs but I imagine they were similar.
The land barge comment was not from CR but the article did emphasize that cars were getting bigger and heavier right when gas prices were rising sharply and there were concerns over the supply of gas. What's funny is that 4000 lbs is not out of line today considering how much a 300, Charger or Challenger weigh.
I remember a new car owner was suing either the EPA or the car manufacture sometime around 1990 because his estimated city mileage was way off. I think his car was a Town Car and he was getting around 7 MPG in the city even though the EPA had rated his car good for something like 15.
Keep in mind that most fuel in the early 90's was actually gasoline. Gasoline with ethanol has less energy per gallon. Milage will be lower.
roadster with a stick
Last edited by Franc Rauscher; Jun 11, 2008 at 12:15 PM.
I hate to put three in a row but I just had to post this.
House committee voted today against removing the bans on off shore drilling. The Dems blocked the amendment (John Peterson, R; Pa) that would have allowed it in the Interior approprations bill.
Crude Oil prices that had receeded, during the week, immediately reversed course and are now, again, climbing upward.
The vote was right down party lines. Guys, our Congress is like two divorcing adults who are taking their anger out on each other by beating up the kids.
We are the kids!
Same thing happened in the 70's. If industry had not worked out the problem, we would still be standing in gas lines. All Congress could come up with was the 55 MPH speed limit and an additional tax program (now @ $0.184 per gal) purportedly to fund research and developement of alternative fuels and technologies.
How's that working out for you?
Come November, throw them out. All of 'em.
roadster with a stick
House committee voted today against removing the bans on off shore drilling. The Dems blocked the amendment (John Peterson, R; Pa) that would have allowed it in the Interior approprations bill.
Crude Oil prices that had receeded, during the week, immediately reversed course and are now, again, climbing upward.
The vote was right down party lines. Guys, our Congress is like two divorcing adults who are taking their anger out on each other by beating up the kids.
We are the kids!
Same thing happened in the 70's. If industry had not worked out the problem, we would still be standing in gas lines. All Congress could come up with was the 55 MPH speed limit and an additional tax program (now @ $0.184 per gal) purportedly to fund research and developement of alternative fuels and technologies.
How's that working out for you?
Come November, throw them out. All of 'em.
roadster with a stick
Last edited by Franc Rauscher; Jun 13, 2008 at 08:49 PM.
A few years ago my 95 Dodge pulled a combined vehicle weight of 21,000 lbs 450 miles to Virginia (5,000 lbs over the GVW). I was satisfied with the 11 mpg the truck managed on the trip. We disgorged 10,000 lbs. of belongings into my parent's new condo and headed back to SC, getting 12 mpg with an empty trailer. My 5th wheel is 11 feet tall, so I figure that much of the fuel burned is just to push the air aside. Who would've guessed that 10,000 lbs could be moved at 65 mph at the cost of 1 mpg! The cummins turbodiesel is an awesome engine. I wonder at the milage our 330hp SRT6 would get pulling 21g down the highway. It has 115 more horses than my old dodge, but about 100 ft lbs less torque.
Originally Posted by Franc Rauscher
I hate to put three in a row but I just had to post this.
House committee voted today against removing the bans on off shore drilling. The Dems blocked the amendment (John Peterson, R; Pa) that would have allowed it in the Interior approprations bill.
Crude Oil prices that had receeded, during the week, immediately reversed course and are now, again, climbing upward.
The vote was right down party lines. Guys, our Congress is like two divorcing adults who are taking their anger out on each other by beating up the kids.
We are the kids!
Same thing happened in the 70's. If industry had not worked out the problem, we would still be standing in gas lines. All Congress could come up with was the 55 MPH speed limit and an additional tax program (now @ $0.14 per gal) purportedly to fund research and developement of alternative fuels and technologies.
How's that working out for you?
Come November, throw them out. All of 'em.
roadster with a stick
House committee voted today against removing the bans on off shore drilling. The Dems blocked the amendment (John Peterson, R; Pa) that would have allowed it in the Interior approprations bill.
Crude Oil prices that had receeded, during the week, immediately reversed course and are now, again, climbing upward.
The vote was right down party lines. Guys, our Congress is like two divorcing adults who are taking their anger out on each other by beating up the kids.
We are the kids!
Same thing happened in the 70's. If industry had not worked out the problem, we would still be standing in gas lines. All Congress could come up with was the 55 MPH speed limit and an additional tax program (now @ $0.14 per gal) purportedly to fund research and developement of alternative fuels and technologies.
How's that working out for you?
Come November, throw them out. All of 'em.
roadster with a stick
Originally Posted by fastfunfor2
A few years ago my 95 Dodge pulled a combined vehicle weight of 21,000 lbs 450 miles to Virginia (5,000 lbs over the GVW). I was satisfied with the 11 mpg the truck managed on the trip. We disgorged 10,000 lbs. of belongings into my parent's new condo and headed back to SC, getting 12 mpg with an empty trailer. My 5th wheel is 11 feet tall, so I figure that much of the fuel burned is just to push the air aside. Who would've guessed that 10,000 lbs could be moved at 65 mph at the cost of 1 mpg! The cummins turbodiesel is an awesome engine. I wonder at the milage our 330hp SRT6 would get pulling 21g down the highway. It has 115 more horses than my old dodge, but about 100 ft lbs less torque.
I have a 20 ft twin axle trailer with a class C bumper hitch. Pulled two loads out of Atlanta with steel racking stacked 8 feet off the trailer, or ten feet off the ground. 4,500 lbs in the bed and the rest on the trailer, each scaled out at 24,500 and 24,700 lbs GVW. Long trip back to St Louis but I got 13 MPG both times.
The Cummins is a beast and at 210M miles has had no issues. The truck has held up well having only the radio fail from my son's Coca Cola running down the dash. Hate the cupholder in that rig as well. Same issue, if you have a manual trans, you will bump the cupholder when you shift. Stupid design.
Love the truck. Will not replace it.
Real trucks have dually wheels , manual transmisions and say Cummins on the side. Everything else is just a Peecup.
roadster with a stick
Originally Posted by kurtisberry
Don't forget Chernobyl and Three Mile Island.
At the same time we were promoting solar and wind power never oil.
At the same time we were promoting solar and wind power never oil.
Roadster with a stick
Just a reply to popeye's post.
"If you were fighting nuclear you are partly responsible for the jam everyone is in now. EcoManiacs are being shielded by the press for the moment, but eventually everyone will recognize that they are paying through the nose for gas because of the EPA and the Sierra Club kind of folk."
Actually it is because of the Sierra Clubs or the world that there is an EPA and CAFE, although weakened by the oil interests. Otherwise we would have been here ten years ago.
Proud to be an "EcoManiac". Popeye, how is the air and water quality in your area? How is the weather? Getting warm and stormy? I hear the everglades are drying up, marvelous work or the Corp of Army Engineers, we fought those idiots too.
"If you were fighting nuclear you are partly responsible for the jam everyone is in now. EcoManiacs are being shielded by the press for the moment, but eventually everyone will recognize that they are paying through the nose for gas because of the EPA and the Sierra Club kind of folk."
Actually it is because of the Sierra Clubs or the world that there is an EPA and CAFE, although weakened by the oil interests. Otherwise we would have been here ten years ago.
Proud to be an "EcoManiac". Popeye, how is the air and water quality in your area? How is the weather? Getting warm and stormy? I hear the everglades are drying up, marvelous work or the Corp of Army Engineers, we fought those idiots too.
Last edited by kurtisberry; Jun 12, 2008 at 05:50 PM.
And Franc, nice truck. I sold my 96 F150 three years ago because it got 12 MPG. It was the perfect vehicle except for the mileage. Are you happy with your mileage? Are you happy to be part of the problem, getting 45% of the mileage your dad's caddy got?
Last edited by kurtisberry; Jun 12, 2008 at 06:07 PM.
Originally Posted by oledoc2u
I agree....and soon you will have a house, senate, puppet prez that say we should leave the environment alone...don't drill here...not looking forward to the next 4 yrs ....I moved my money to safe keeping area of investment, and will not plan anything big...going super conservative....
well, I sure made a lot more on my investments under him than I ever did w/ Billy boy in control...and the new kid on the block, what will he do, except what he is told...little experience in IL...no experience at Fed level...he will save us all, rt... Harvard and Princeton in control at the "White House"...going to be a long ride....
Bush ended almost all investment into alternate energy, even worse than Reagan. Now we are paying the price, because there is no easy answer. We lost 20 years of research under the republican administrations.
Originally Posted by kurtisberry
Bush ended almost all investment into alternate energy, even worse than Reagan. Now we are paying the price, because there is no easy answer. We lost 20 years of research under the republican administrations.
Specifically, What research?
Republicans passed an energy bill in 2005 that the dems are holding up right now. Who blocked wind power off the coast of MA in Long Island sound?
Who prevented existing wind generators from hooking up to the grid in Montana?
And who seems to have no problem with the Chineese drilling into our oil reserves, reserves we found, 50 miles off the coast of Texas, but made it illegal for any American company to drill there?
Wasn't President Bush.
But go ahead just blame President Bush and half the country will just ....believe it.
roadster with a stick
Last edited by Franc Rauscher; Jun 12, 2008 at 06:48 PM.
Originally Posted by Franc Rauscher
But go ahead just blame President Bush and half the country will just ....believe it.
Originally Posted by Franc Rauscher
Brent, I had an '88 T&C with all the bells. great car. Floated down the highway. Engine was a 351 Clevelandand and was itself probably 25% of the weight of the car. I got 13 city and 18 highway. My dads 91 Deauville 2 door coupe was a 305, I believe. I asked him last night and he confirmed the 29 mpg milage. Said he used Slick 50 in the oil and that made a difference. He's my dad, I don't question.
Keep in mind that most fuel in the early 90's was actually gasoline. Gasoline with ethanol has less energy per gallon. Milage will be lower.
roadster with a stick
Keep in mind that most fuel in the early 90's was actually gasoline. Gasoline with ethanol has less energy per gallon. Milage will be lower.
roadster with a stick
Through the latter half of the seventies up into the beginning of the nineties mpg was *the* feature to highlight. It was also a major criteria for selecting a car. Then it all changed to horsepower. But to prove that history does repeat itself, I heard on the radio today several car ads with mpg was being plugged as the main selling point.
Originally Posted by Mediacritic
Yeah. Things have been going so well under Bush. Too bad it will all have to come to an end and everything will suck. 

Originally Posted by Franc Rauscher
I hate to put three in a row but I just had to post this.
House committee voted today against removing the bans on off shore drilling. The Dems blocked the amendment (John Peterson, R; Pa) that would have allowed it in the Interior approprations bill.
Crude Oil prices that had receeded, during the week, immediately reversed course and are now, again, climbing upward.
The vote was right down party lines. Guys, our Congress is like two divorcing adults who are taking their anger out on each other by beating up the kids.
We are the kids!
Same thing happened in the 70's. If industry had not worked out the problem, we would still be standing in gas lines. All Congress could come up with was the 55 MPH speed limit and an additional tax program (now @ $0.14 per gal) purportedly to fund research and developement of alternative fuels and technologies.
How's that working out for you?
Come November, throw them out. All of 'em.
roadster with a stick
House committee voted today against removing the bans on off shore drilling. The Dems blocked the amendment (John Peterson, R; Pa) that would have allowed it in the Interior approprations bill.
Crude Oil prices that had receeded, during the week, immediately reversed course and are now, again, climbing upward.
The vote was right down party lines. Guys, our Congress is like two divorcing adults who are taking their anger out on each other by beating up the kids.
We are the kids!
Same thing happened in the 70's. If industry had not worked out the problem, we would still be standing in gas lines. All Congress could come up with was the 55 MPH speed limit and an additional tax program (now @ $0.14 per gal) purportedly to fund research and developement of alternative fuels and technologies.
How's that working out for you?
Come November, throw them out. All of 'em.
roadster with a stick
Originally Posted by Brent
I've posted this before in other threads but I'll repeat it here. The Repubs are for themselves first, America second. The Dems are for themselves first, America second. Both parties have one overriding goal and that is to ensure their continued existance. Political party of your choice uber alles. Both parties have to go but the Dems need to go first since they are the more dangerous party due to their socialist agenda.


