UK Roadster Thread - drilling into the trunk
 

MODERATOR NOTE: This is a thread about the specific differences in the trunk lock security system in the UK. The configuration of the car's Trunk in the UK is unlike any other. It is not yet known if this a UK, or a UK/EU issue at this time. Read the entire thread when you have time, to avoid being as ignorant as we were when this was first posted. We all learned something in the posts that follow.


I am completely locked-out of the trunk / boot on my UK 04 right hand drive Roadster with a soggy pump!
I have no access to the pneumatic lock via the ‘tag’ / ‘reg’ lights due to an ‘anti-theft’ plate.

QUESTION: If I sacrifice the rear Chrysler emblem by drilling a hole big enough to get a tool in…can I see the pneumatic lock mechanism so I can move it and unlock????

Is there any access via the latch?

If anyone has their trunk panel off… could you send me a photo of the centre of the Chrysler emblem from the inside?


Would really appreciate some help here guys…it’s driving me nuts!!!



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I don't know where the line is on the roadster but look under the carpet next to the door (or maybe ask a mechanic in the dealer (10 euro to him) he could tell you where the vac line going back to the trunk (boot) is.. if u find that line cut it (u can put fitting in later for repair) you can get a little air compressor like the one in the trunk i don't remember which it goes pressure opens or vac opens the trunk this way you destroy nothing. if u have a manual look it up or maybe someone state side could find it hope this helps jim

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You can access the release somehow by going into one of the openings where your license plate lights are once you remove one of them
DO NOT DRILL ANYTHING

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No, Jim. The pump is in the cavity in the trunk, below the trim. In a Roadster, this line goes up the wheel well and into the trunk lid at the passenger side hinge - there is no way to access it.
Also, if the electric lock is his issue , that won't help anyway. The electric lock slide a cam in place to stop the bottom from moving.

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I have NEVER heard of this, even in the UK/EU.

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The EU/UK crowd better to the electric trunk lock disable TODAY if this is 'normal' over there.

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His video shows a plate in the way.

VERY ODD, I have no answer.

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I have altered a friend in the UK who might have insight.

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Can you provide a picture of the anti-theft plate the blocks access to the license plate lights.
Are you sure it's the pneumatic lock and not the Secondary Electric Lock that has the trunk lid locked.

There is a simple backdoor method to unlock the trunk, try this first before trying to release the locking arm through the right license plate light opening.I would try the following instructions before attempting to drill into the trunk lid.
With the ignition “On” press the “Top Down “ button. While holding the button turn off ignition and hold button 10 seconds. Trunk should unlock.

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mark i had a trunk locked, I pulled the headliner down just enough to get to the lines. (per Rudy) the vac lines were right above the window under the headliner i cut the line and plugged into my a little compressor , vac opened and pressure closed the pump was under water jim

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BUt ya cant get to that in a Roadster, we don't have a headliner and none of our lines go overhead. :)

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Thanks for the reply but this is the problem…check out my video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EXY7YEczghg&t=15s

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1) You did not answer Bob, did you try the button technique he suggested? That is a built-in safeguard they gave us, one that I keep forgetting exists.

2) You have posted in several threads for the same issue, it's getting hard to follow what is going on but I will try one more time: Remind me, when you press the lever, I Know you can't get the trunk to open, but tell us this: Is the lever "STIFF" and wont move? Or is the leverloose and floppy and moves but does not trigger the latch?
THis is a fundamental question:

If the lever is STIFF, it's the electric lock operated by the TPMS.
If the lever is floppy, its the pneumatic lock.

This tells us what we are fighting: An activated electric lock or an issue with the CLP/SSM.

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It looks to me that with the camera scope you are looking above the area that you need to be for the locking mechanism. When inserting the camera, you want to look horizontally to the left or right of the light unit opening, depending on which opening you are looking from.
When you go through the left side license plate light opening, you see a yellow tubing, that goes to the pneumatic lock on the trunk lid. If it's the pneumatic lock that's the issue, then you could cut that tubing, as far to the left as possible, and then pull it out through the access opening and either blow or suck on the open end of the tubing. This should lock and unlock the trunk lid.
As I commented earlier today, if it's the Secondary Electric Lock Actuator Module that has the trunk lid locked, then you need to do the following.
There is a simple backdoor method to unlock the trunk, try this first before trying to release the locking arm through the right/left license plate light openings.With the ignition “On” press the “Top Down “ button. While holding the button turn off ignition and hold button 10 seconds. Trunk should unlock.

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Have tried that, no response from the button because the roof has not fully closed so she’s in self protection mode. I need to manually finish the roof cycle. Easy if you can get in the trunk.

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Apologies for posting in different areas, still getting my head around the forum.

It’s the electronic lock, not the pneumatic.

The plate is welded so you cannot go underneath.

Does anyone know if the Chrysler emblem is bolted in place or just stuck on?

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It’s the electric lock, not the pneumatic.
Have tried the button process, no response.

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Yea, this is why we PREACH and PREACH to disable that lock before you have a problem. At our tech days, the lock disable is, perhaps, the most common thing done - mostly cause it's IMPORTANT and EASY.
I'm thinking the button procedure Bob talks about should work, this is a built in safety for times when the cycle does not complete on its own or was not completed by the driver.

I WISH I could find that thread here where the guy shows you the cam on the right, you take out the right plate light, and the cam is on the LEFT just inside the light opening. You CAN NOT see it because you can't 'bend your vision" and can only see it with the trunk lik OPEN where you can get the proper visual angle. VERY hard to figure out in your situation, but if you got the lid open and could LOOK in there, you'd see it.

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I know you are frustrated and getting angry, you are not the first, I was LOST back in 2009 when this happened to me - but try to NOT miss what he says here.

IN MY CASE: I snagged the emergency release cable with a steel coat hanger, made strait and then one end, I formed into a "J" hook, a SMALL J hook. I took out the LEFT light, put the coat hanger in about 8-9 inches with hook parralell to the lid I then rotated the hook 90 degrees and pulled it out, on about the third try, I snagged the emergency release cable and pulled - the lid popped open! :)

The cable runs from the latch to the LEFT where the handle is snapped into place. That handle cant move, so when you pull, the latch as to let go. Only fails IF the plastic arm on the emergency actuator breaks or has broken in the past, which happens, hence why we disable the electric lock before this happens! See my next post.

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The emergency release cable is in yellow, you have only about 3-4 inches where you can grab it, thru the left lens hole, using a "J" hook. :The BLUE arrow shows how you must aim a bit "to the right" as you go in with the J hook.

The RED arrow points to the cam to pop the trunk with a screwdriver.
You might want to read my "Trunk Lid Jammed" thread from 2009. You are NOT the only one to go thru this.
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I believe the emblem is glued on and is removed by running fishing line or ? to break it loose. I don't know where the hole would be in relation to the lock.

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Interesting, coupe does not have a handle. Is the lock electronic also ?

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Coupes have:
1)Pneumatically operated lock triggered by the button on the dash/console and the SKREEM module. (When locked, latch handle is "floppy".)

Roadsters have:
1) Pneumatically operated lock triggered by the button on the dash/console and the SKREEM module. (When locked, latch handle is "floppy".)
2) Electric lock operated by the Top Controller that locks the lid for the 28 seconds or so when the top is moving up or down. (When locked, latch handle is "Stiff" and won't move.)

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Thank you. Hopefully someone will have their trunk liner off and send me a photo.

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Thank you. I’ll send the camera in today and see if I can find it.

Do you have any thoughts on removing the Chrysler emblem and trying to get to the Cam from there?

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I have a guy on Facebook who is near you and says he's like to help. I"ve asked if he's on the forum and am waiting a reply, I THINK he's here.


If not, here is his FB:
...yad//www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006029051096...
remove THE "...YAD//" FROM THE LEFT AND THE ... ON THE RIGHT.
RObert Richardson

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https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...echanisms.html

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Lots of people trying to help but no one reads the entire thread. looking at trunk lids on Ebay, it appears making a hole where the emblem is may give access.

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Fine, but EVERY ONE OF US have gained access to a locked trunk without damage to the car. Read "Trunk Lid Jammed" in this section (Crossfire Roadster); NO ONE could be as clueless and inept as I was back in 2009 and even I got in without damaging my car. This individual is running his camera in too far, and missing the cam on the left, as you go in thru the right side tag light hole. Bob McCubbin has pointed that out but this poster does not believe Bob or I.

He is convinced HIS car is unlike all the others because he is in the UK. But Robert on Facebook who lives in the UK and has a Roadster disagrees, and is going to try to help him locally.

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Even if the top is not working, the backdoor trunk lock release should still work if you do it correctly. I have done this many times to get into the trunk because someone's top wasn't working and the trunk won't unlock with the center console lock/unlock button.

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Thank you so much. I shall get in contact today. 🕺🏼
Really appreciate your help.

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Here's some pictures that might help with unlocking the trunk lid from either of the license plate light openings. These are on a LHD Crossfire and I don't know if RHD is reversed for the pneumatic lock and the Secondary Electric Lock Actuator Module.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cro...d9482caee6.jpg
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Thank you for these… I’ll send the camera in again to find what I’ve missed.

cheers

Haydyn

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The first two pictures are the coupe latch.

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It definitely looks like your Roadster lock is blocked by those plates. You are probably right that going under the Chrysler emblem and drilling a small enough hole to get a very small screwdriver down to the Secondary Electric Lock Actuator Arm and then the pneumatic lock lever, to release the boot (trunk) lid.
Here some pictures that should help with seeing what you need to do, if you decide to drill the hole through the boot lid.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cro...921686bbd3.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cro...43e6a6f409.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cro...878ee8b303.jpg

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I can't believe this. WHy would a car be so different from all of ours? Is this a UK thing?

WOW do you UK owners want to disable that electric lock as soon as you can!

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They also need to try to remove the security plate on the right side because if the Central Vacuum Locking Pump Module fails then they could still possibly need access to the pneumatic lock lever from the right side license plate light opening.

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Apologies accepted ;)

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I think the thing that went wrong here was that the emergency release did not work for you, I see you DID find it and pull on it.

This brings up something from 2009, I managed to open mine with the emergency cable, but the cam did break when I did so. The cam is plastic (stupid) and I wonder if yours is broken as well.
In any event, ya GOTTA disable that electric lock (which is easy, once you get the lid open and can take the trim panel out and access it.

I just can't believe they went this far, but on the OTHER hand, I do know that cars were been stolen at alarming rates in parts of the EU back then.

And I did not apologize YET, I am still in denial. :)