Messed up lightning pump install. Ugh. Any tips?
Yeah, I messed up.
I was just doing this for maintenance reasons because I bought the car at 26K miles and ya know it feels good to do preventative maintenance.
Well, long story short... I couldn't get one of the top inlet/outlet screws in after I switched the tops of the pumps, but the rest are in and its sealed good. For now. I plan to get the other screw done asap. But its a horrible pain.
The biggest issue: No spade sockets were small enough to fit into the area for the new plug (which doesn't exist). So I had to make do with mini-clamps to fit onto those small posts. Long story short: The pump is DEFINATELY not on, because it was burning hot when I parked the car, and the stock pump is always nice and cool (because it works). Could I have broken the new pump? Is there a fuse for the auxiliary pump at all that may have blown?
Also... there is a small hose that connects to the stock pump on the opposite end of the inlet/outlet, any idea what it is? No where to put it on the new pump....
Man what a mess..... I wish I didn't touch anything.
Thanks guys
I was just doing this for maintenance reasons because I bought the car at 26K miles and ya know it feels good to do preventative maintenance.
Well, long story short... I couldn't get one of the top inlet/outlet screws in after I switched the tops of the pumps, but the rest are in and its sealed good. For now. I plan to get the other screw done asap. But its a horrible pain.
The biggest issue: No spade sockets were small enough to fit into the area for the new plug (which doesn't exist). So I had to make do with mini-clamps to fit onto those small posts. Long story short: The pump is DEFINATELY not on, because it was burning hot when I parked the car, and the stock pump is always nice and cool (because it works). Could I have broken the new pump? Is there a fuse for the auxiliary pump at all that may have blown?
Also... there is a small hose that connects to the stock pump on the opposite end of the inlet/outlet, any idea what it is? No where to put it on the new pump....
Man what a mess..... I wish I didn't touch anything.
Thanks guys
Heres a pic of that plug that don't exist. Hit up your old mustang buddies. You might have to read 100 posts but the part number is on the mb forum, and is only like 10 bucks if that.
Last edited by cruzinquick; Dec 16, 2009 at 03:40 AM.
Yes I found the part number, I'm going to call up some Ford dealers tomorrow and see if they have it.
But hey, whats the little tube for that plugs in near the wires on the pump? My pump had nowhere for that little tube to plug into like it did on the stock pump. At least I dont think it does.... What is it for?
But hey, whats the little tube for that plugs in near the wires on the pump? My pump had nowhere for that little tube to plug into like it did on the stock pump. At least I dont think it does.... What is it for?
The hot pump could be that the motor is stalled and really burning up. If you took it apart you need to retrace your steps, fully.
If you have it running backwards as it is a permanet magnet motor, that in its self should not cause it to overheat. Could something be ingested into the pump thru the hoses, like a bit of hose rubber? Check
The rubber hose was a vent to keep the insides dry, to allow moisture to go out, it was a loop going up and acted as a breather for the motor compartment of the pump.
Enjoy, Woody
If you have it running backwards as it is a permanet magnet motor, that in its self should not cause it to overheat. Could something be ingested into the pump thru the hoses, like a bit of hose rubber? Check
The rubber hose was a vent to keep the insides dry, to allow moisture to go out, it was a loop going up and acted as a breather for the motor compartment of the pump.
Enjoy, Woody
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Is that a lightning pump?
If so why didn't you go with the Johnson?
Just curious.
If you have to do it again I would suggest going with the johnson.
If so why didn't you go with the Johnson?
Just curious.
If you have to do it again I would suggest going with the johnson.
I went with the lightning pump because, besides an upcoming intake, my car will be basically stock. And the OEM pump flows more than enough for the stock HE setup.
So guys, Im now beginning to think my new pump is working fine and in reality it was the old pump that wasn't working.
When I touched the old pump after a drive it was cool to the touch, and so were the surrounding hoses.
When I put in the new pump and drove with it UNPLUGGED, it too was cool to the touch after a drive, and so were the surrounding hoses.
Then I plugged in the new pump and started the car and ran to the front and felt the hoses. I could actually feeling hot water rushing through the hoses and into and out of the pump. And after a short drive, the pump was warm, and the surrounding hoses were warm/hot.
So now I'm starting to think the cool-to-the-touch old pump was actually a bad thing, like the new pump with its fuse pulled.
Interesting?
So guys, Im now beginning to think my new pump is working fine and in reality it was the old pump that wasn't working.
When I touched the old pump after a drive it was cool to the touch, and so were the surrounding hoses.
When I put in the new pump and drove with it UNPLUGGED, it too was cool to the touch after a drive, and so were the surrounding hoses.
Then I plugged in the new pump and started the car and ran to the front and felt the hoses. I could actually feeling hot water rushing through the hoses and into and out of the pump. And after a short drive, the pump was warm, and the surrounding hoses were warm/hot.
So now I'm starting to think the cool-to-the-touch old pump was actually a bad thing, like the new pump with its fuse pulled.
Interesting?
Post the part number for the plug. If I had it I would have given it to you. I got mine from a ford mechanic, said they were real common and had one in his junk box. It does have a + and - right on the pump so you don't wire wrong.
Sounds right about feeling hot, the water is running right down the middle of the pump. So did your feel a big difference?
Found this one on ebay but couldn't tell if it's the same one I used
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Injec...=1218691500769
Sounds right about feeling hot, the water is running right down the middle of the pump. So did your feel a big difference?
Found this one on ebay but couldn't tell if it's the same one I used
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Injec...=1218691500769
Last edited by cruzinquick; Aug 13, 2008 at 09:55 PM.
I have been instrumenting and monitoring my cooling system for the past several weeks. The water should be coming out of the intercooler about 130 - 140 when you are pushing it and hopefully less coming out of the H/E as it goes back to the intercooler. With a LET H/E I was seeing a 6 degree drop on the return. It would have been better but the location does not flow enough air is the standard location.
I have a larger cooler and have been getting into the 120 - 110 ranges ( in to out ) at 85-90 degree weather conditions.
Enjoy; Woody
I have a larger cooler and have been getting into the 120 - 110 ranges ( in to out ) at 85-90 degree weather conditions.
Enjoy; Woody
I have been instrumenting and monitoring my cooling system for the past several weeks. The water should be coming out of the intercooler about 130 - 140 when you are pushing it and hopefully less coming out of the H/E as it goes back to the intercooler. With a LET H/E I was seeing a 6 degree drop on the return. It would have been better but the location does not flow enough air is the standard location.
I have a larger cooler and have been getting into the 120 - 110 ranges ( in to out ) at 85-90 degree weather conditions.
Enjoy; Woody
I guess that new marble mouse is bouncing????
I have a larger cooler and have been getting into the 120 - 110 ranges ( in to out ) at 85-90 degree weather conditions.
Enjoy; Woody
I guess that new marble mouse is bouncing????
hey guys... The connector Ford part number is WPT717. People say its very common but both my Ford dealers said they have to special order it. Bosch makes the connector also, or their own version, and can usually be found on Ebay. Usually just by searching for WPT717, I know there is a listing right now for it.
Anyways, the car does not seem faster now that I know my pump is working. But I do notice the supercharger whine unlike before. Its definately audible, I had always wondered why I couldn't hear it before. Maybe it just wasn't engaging before? Weird... But especially at lower RPMs, before the engine sound takes over, the supercharger whine is very obvious now.
I too am considering a better HE...
Anyways, the car does not seem faster now that I know my pump is working. But I do notice the supercharger whine unlike before. Its definately audible, I had always wondered why I couldn't hear it before. Maybe it just wasn't engaging before? Weird... But especially at lower RPMs, before the engine sound takes over, the supercharger whine is very obvious now.
I too am considering a better HE...
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