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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 10:58 PM
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I have been kicking the idea around of making a carbon fiber airbox or intake. One because I want one Two because I want to see if anyone else wants one. Right now I have the needswing intake on my SRT and am thinking about wrapping it in carbonfiber. IT works great the way it is but I cant get over looking at VRP's set up and think I want that but not for the $4000 price tag. SO my question to people with the SL set up is anyone interested in a VRP or Renntech style airbox? I don’t see why you wouldn’t gain more hp with a larger opening at the back going into the throttle body. The increase over the stock SL set up would not be a HUGE gain but none the less a gain and a sexier looking air box.

My second question is anyone interested in wrapping their needswings intake in carbon fiber? THIS would be completely cosmetic. PRICES would vary depending upon what material we used. There is a substitute for carbon fiber which is black fiberglass weave, this looks the identical to carbon fiber just does not have the strength properties. WHEN I SAY STRENGHT properties I don’t mean omg I can snap this thing in half with my hands, more like no one will be making suspension coils, A arms, drive shafts and or rims out of black fiberglass. For and airbox this would be completely structurally sound.



ANyway here is an idea of what it could look like from VRPs set up we have more room against the firewall so it would be thicker and less of an indent at the top


 
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Old Oct 29, 2008 | 02:51 PM
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No one is going to bite at this ???
 
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Old Oct 29, 2008 | 04:42 PM
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IMO this crowd needs H/P gains and cost to get their juices and $$$ flowing. It looks good, as long as it flows more. I have proven that the intake has much to offer at the bottom of the RPM range. Peak H/P looks good but getting more "area under the curve" on the dyno is good for the street and also strip. What is the $ range/ Woody Enjoy.
 
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Old Oct 29, 2008 | 04:53 PM
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IMO this crowd needs H/P gains and cost to get their juices and $$$ flowing. It looks good, as long as it flows more. I have proven that the intake has much to offer at the bottom of the RPM range. Peak H/P looks good but getting more "area under the curve" on the dyno is good for the street and also strip. What is the $ range/ Woody Enjoy.
Price would be dependent on how many people were interested, and whether or not it was just the intake wrapped or making a mold for the SL set up. To do a seamless wrap on Rob's intake is about $75 dollars a yard for the carbonfiber. This does not include resin, vaccum equipment or the clear coat process that needs to happen once it is cured. I am starting to see that the $300 or more materials and labor charge would not be cost effective for something that is only cosmetic. I just want it lol, and am going to probably do it so i figured I would toss it out there. As far as the SL set up goes it would probably be close to $600 or more, may sound like alot but is a far cry from $2300. I dont know if I would do the tubes, but the front cosmetic emblem shroud could be done for probably about $300. These are all carbonfiber quotes. BLACK FIBERGLASS would be less.

My question to you and the forum who have run some of the H/P numbers is, is the SL set up more efficient then the needswings set up. Like I said I am currently running the needswings kit and love it, the route in my mind would be just to wrap Rob's intakes if that is the most efficient intake. I remember the great debate awhile back and cannot really remember the conclusion that was reached between which intake and which pulley worked best. Quite a few of you are running the SL set up just from looking at it I KNOW IT CAN BE PERFECTED AND gains from it can be MAXIMIZED
 
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Old Oct 29, 2008 | 05:09 PM
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Two pipes are idealy better than one. Needswings is lower restriction than stock due to the turns and filter material and attendant friction losses. The Sl seems to be good and it retains the factory image, styling.

The insulation that I had placed on the intake pipe was helpful but not worth it overall. At an airflow speed of 157 MPH the air does not get a chance to heat much AT WIDE OPEN THROTTLE when the mass flow is up. [FYI, 16 cubic feet of air weighs about one pound].

The photo that you had on your posting really looks smooth and rich, I can see many street people going for it, versis the strip people that only want to feed the need for speed.

Woody Enjoy
 
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Old Oct 29, 2008 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by waldig
Two pipes are idealy better than one. Needswings is lower restriction than stock due to the turns and filter material and attendant friction losses. The Sl seems to be good and it retains the factory image, styling.

The insulation that I had placed on the intake pipe was helpful but not worth it overall. At an airflow speed of 157 MPH the air does not get a chance to heat much AT WIDE OPEN THROTTLE when the mass flow is up. [FYI, 16 cubic feet of air weighs about one pound].

The photo that you had on your posting really looks smooth and rich, I can see many street people going for it, versis the strip people that only want to feed the need for speed.

Woody Enjoy

I agree 100% accept for the fact there seems to be a 50/50 split between heavily modified track people with the 55 set and needswings set up.
 
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Old Oct 29, 2008 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jonnyangel04
No one is going to bite at this ???
I think it looks incredible. Just like the 5 spoke wheels over on mbworld. Still not something I would open my pocket book for. There are alot that do cars shows, maybe someone will go for. Thanks for continuing on the fabrication side.
 
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Old Oct 29, 2008 | 06:14 PM
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I think it looks incredible. Just like the 5 spoke wheels over on mbworld. Still not something I would open my pocket book for. There are alot that do cars shows, maybe someone will go for. Thanks for continuing on the fabrication side.
lol dont we all wish we had 8k to blow on rims ? ;p
 
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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 03:44 PM
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Let us know if you get around to wrapping the needswings in CF. I would be interested in doing mine too....I think it would look very slick!
 
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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BLKFIN
Let us know if you get around to wrapping the needswings in CF. I would be interested in doing mine too....I think it would look very slick!
I can happen I woud like to do a christmas group buy and was going to Iron out some details with Rob. Litterally I have no problem doing something like this and making next to nothing on top of materials for my time. It is just a matter of like the pillar pods, if there is not enough intrest lol it wont even be worth purchasing the resin. To get this off the ground we would need close to 15- 20 people in on it to not take a loss. These would be members who

1) people who allready have an intake and want them wrapped in CF
2) people looking to purchase a wrapped intake
3) people looking to purchase an intake MADE completly of carbon fiber
4) People who are willing to do an exchange program or deposit program for something that will once again BE COMPLETLY cosmetic.

IT is not going to be cheap like I said, to do it the right way with seamless carbon overlay it is about $70 a yard JUST FOR THE FABRIC, the more you buy the better deal you get. The best part about this, is it can only open the doors to more CF projects under the hood.
 

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Old Nov 5, 2008 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by cruzinquick
I think it looks incredible. Just like the 5 spoke wheels over on mbworld. Still not something I would open my pocket book for.
See, I knew being a Steelers fan you had one. This just confirms it.

Hey jonny, I believe there were alot of people looking to get things wrapped in synthetic carbon fiber. I don't know if your looking to just do intakes, but I know there was a decent market for wrapping interior and exterior parts.
 
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Old Nov 5, 2008 | 09:21 AM
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The synthetic looked good but not really legit......... Wrapping interior pieces in carbon fiber is not really an option seeing as they would be thicker. The option of making carbon fiber interiors would be easier and better looking. Getting mounting hardware to line up for the center surround would be the only tricky part.


Originally Posted by BlUEMDsrt6
See, I knew being a Steelers fan you had one. This just confirms it.

Hey jonny, I believe there were alot of people looking to get things wrapped in synthetic carbon fiber. I don't know if your looking to just do intakes, but I know there was a decent market for wrapping interior and exterior parts.
 
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Old Nov 5, 2008 | 11:24 AM
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Depending on the cost, I would like to do both my intake and intake mani's.
 
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