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Old Dec 5, 2008 | 08:48 PM
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I was cruising down Hwy 94 past Defiance with a buddy of mine enjoying a night off and this happened.





Now I'll give you my story . I never much liked the Brake assisted stability control on this car it just never felt safe or right to me so i always turned it off. That night I had driven over 30 miles up and down this common twisty area to me. I decided to slow down considerably and turn on the traction control and just get used to driving with it on so i knew what it felt like.

It must of malfunctioned. The first turn i went around it caused the accident. I braked pretty hard before the turn so i would enter it at slower speed than i normally would have. It was actually only 5mph above the posted speed of the turn. The car made a unnatural jerk and then continued into a forward slide. I made a last effort to keep the car on the road by turning hard on the wheel and tapping the brake, which had no affect. When i applied the brake i felt the car was already braking! I realized at that point my braking and steering meant nothing to this vehicle and it had a mind of its own.

I will be taking pictures of the tear down and progress at the body shop Monday and let you guys know what was damaged.

Also I spoke with a lead mechanic at king dodge/Chrysler and he told me that this is not even close to how the stability control is suppose to work and wouldn't mind checking on the vehicle after it gets out the shop and tearing down the car to figure out whats wrong.
 

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Old Dec 5, 2008 | 08:49 PM
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Ok. Now fix the pic links and yer good!
Glad we got "the rest of the story"!
 
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Old Dec 5, 2008 | 08:51 PM
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Too bad you fixed the picture links! I didn't need to see that!!!

OUCH!!!
 

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Old Dec 5, 2008 | 08:53 PM
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Holy postariffic why did it make so many! Thank you admin!
 

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Old Dec 5, 2008 | 08:56 PM
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Your experience reminded me of this link...

https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...ad.php?t=28835

Read it and see if it sounds familiar.
 
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Old Dec 5, 2008 | 08:57 PM
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SORRY about your car man! Bad deal !
I hope you & your buddy are all ok!
It looks like the car can be fixed.
I saw one yesterday in the pic gallery that
didnt look good at all. Nice that the chrysler
guy will look at it when its fixed.
 
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Old Dec 5, 2008 | 09:00 PM
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Again, I have to ask. Is anybody keeping track of the number of SRT's that have "bit the dust"? Just on the forum alone.
 
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Old Dec 5, 2008 | 09:00 PM
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Thats very similar to what happened to me. The car continued to brake and never left off. The air bags didn't even deploy i dont think we were going fast enough, it was the slowest crash in history. I'm sure if someone had a camera it would of looked like i just drove off the road at 50 and never turned. I wasn't scared at the time just highly annoyed afterwords, having no control over where you car is going is not a pleasant feeling.
 
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Old Dec 5, 2008 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Waynesworld
SORRY about your car man! Bad deal !
I hope you & your buddy are all ok!
It looks like the car can be fixed.
I saw one yesterday in the pic gallery that
didnt look good at all. Nice that the chrysler
guy will look at it when its fixed.
The body shop said they would have it good as new for me . As long as the paint,body, and 4 wheel alignment come out perfect i will be that much happier
 
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Old Dec 5, 2008 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ProjectMayhem
The body shop said they would have it good as new for me . As long as the paint,body, and 4 wheel alignment come out perfect i will be that much happier
It might be better then new now, a good frame rack can do wonders.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2008 | 01:34 AM
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Wow what is going on here? Is this system actually failing? Or is something designed to keep the hairdresser clientele who buy the slk320 to keep them from being bingoed actually helping to bin more experienced drivers?

From my experience when I leave on all TC and push the car hard into a turn, all it does is significantly decrease my corner speed and bog the hell out of the car with the brakes.

Damn... Glad you're ok at least.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2008 | 03:35 AM
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This sounds like a black ice incident, what kind of temps you have there?. TC is not going to cause a "forward" slide or cause the steering to not respond.
Sorry about the damage.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2008 | 05:23 AM
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when i hit the wall ,the opposite happened to me ,,the gas never let off, i let off the gas peddle but the throttle body stayed wide open, making the car accelerate right into the wall.
jim
 
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Old Dec 6, 2008 | 05:46 AM
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from reading responses to my similar problem (?) - the best practical advice i heard was "DONT jab the brakes with a very quick motion" - the computer doesnt like that, thinks youre about to crash, and keeps brakes applied for a bit of time even if you let your foot off. Maybe also just watch it in general with the brakes and treat them with as light a touch as possible, they get scared easy!

From eleventeen
Most likely the brake assist (BAS). Basically, during a panic stop, the brakes apply full force (automatically) even if you don't push the pedal all the way down, or if you let up to reduce brake force. The computer senses how quickly you push the pedal and recognizes it as an emergency situation. Mercedes believes that drivers sometimes under estimate an emergency stop and wait too long to apply full brake force; the car steps in and does it for you.

"The Brake Assist System (BAS), an electronic system by Mercedes-Benz, interprets the braking behavior of the driver and initiates the full braking effect when it identifies an emergency situation. This reduces the braking distance substantially.

Here is the engineering foundation for BAS:

Conventional braking systems usually use engine vacuum to increase braking capability. Instead of relying solely on vacuum power to provide effective brakes, an electric pump pressurizes brake fluid to provide power assist for BAS and the necessary brake force for 4ETS.

The pressurized brake fluid is stored at about. 180 bar (2600 psi!) in a reservoir known as the accumulator. From the accumulator the high pressure brake fluid is supplied to the hydraulic operating cylinder in the master cylinder assembly. Commands to utilize the pressurized fluid comes from either 4ETS or BAS. When the brakes are applied and BAS deems it necessary, a lever connected to the brake pedal releases varying amounts of the high pressure fluid to assist in stopping the car.

Here is what BAS does for you:

Most drivers, under normal braking conditions as well as under emergency conditions, start out with little brake pressure and whenever necessary they will increase their pedal effort. In an emergency this behavior leads many times to a crash since the car could not be stopped in time. Those situations require maximum pedal pressure from the beginning - if necessary the effort can be reduced later in the process.

With other words most drivers do not use the ability of the brakes to their advantage - BAS automatically corrects that. The system recognizes emergency situations within milli seconds and releases pressurized brake fluid into the system as soon as the driver touches the brake pedal. As soon as the driver releases the brake pedal, BAS kicks back into a standby mode.

BAS creates a much higher stopping force for emergencies than most drivers are ever able to generate. By doing so BAS helps to prevent accidents
 
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Old Dec 6, 2008 | 06:21 AM
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so my understanding is that this is neither ABS, nor is it TC - its BAS
which stands for... Big *** Slowdown
or Braking And Sliding
or...

(which fuse is that again?
 
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Old Dec 6, 2008 | 07:10 AM
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I didn't experience this at all on the track. Panic stops from 90+mph to 35mph, we're talking full-force 100% braking - no full throttle, no accelerator stuck open, just the ABS grunting like an angry pig. Strange. It must be related to something with slippery roads.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2008 | 08:47 AM
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Sorry to see the front of the 6 crunched, but at least you're walkin and talkin about it !!!
Some cars disengage the ABS if you "tap" the brakes or so I've been told Could this have been the case ? What were the road conditions ? Just curious as to why the thing went into a power slide and not correct itself.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2008 | 09:10 AM
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Sorry to see the damage....
 
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Old Dec 6, 2008 | 09:27 AM
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This proves that John Deere still has the edge when it comes to ploughing.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2008 | 09:39 AM
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atlantaGrant has got it right...I did the same thing...little embarrassing, but instead of counter steering, I went with it, and just did a 360 partially in the road and side ditch just missing a sign post, but saved it and continued on down road like I meant to do it...was giving a buddy of mine a ride and he thought I was just showing off...damn near had to clean my pants...I had previously given a ride to another buddy, but forgot to turn off the TC when taking the 2nd buddy out, before I could just power thru that corner, but TC kicked in just as I set her sideways shooting me straight, I immediately reacted just saving it....after you get used to the car, you will be fine, there isn't anything wrong with it, just has a lot more sensors to keep the car stable...TC on works grt on the track, and it will save you, but if you want to get loose, then you have to turn it off, but even off, wheels spinning more 30 mph will trigger an over-ride...sorry about your damage, at least it was just your ego that got hurt, just like me...
 
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