I know this has been beaten to death, but most everything I find is a couple years old on the subject. Since then, has the 185 with Johnson pump and larger heat extractor been proven to run stronger than the 181 without supporting cooling mods? I'm hoping there is some sort of concensus.

I'm at work and really can't spend too much time searching on here for more info on it, so I've finally resorted to posting this. I'll will continue to search and hopefully find more info.

Thanks.

 

According to someone from Eurocharged, the 185 is less powerful than the 181 unless headers are installed. I'm not really looking to go all-out just yet, so I guess the 181 will have to do.

 

I spent a lot of time researching this decision. I went with the 181. On paper the 185 should make more power with additional supporting mods. If u cant find a supercharger pulley go with the 181.

 

Can you tell us where you found that information or who said that?

Nowadays between the new tuning that Eurocharged has developed (not really new, just improved with years of doing it) and the fuel modifications available through Needswings. There is no reason, in my humble opinion, not to run a 185mm crank pulley.

I have been running my 185mm for just shy of two years. I didn't even have the car for a month when I left it at the Eurocharged shop for a week to add some goodies.

Holy crap, I just realized I've had my SRT for two years. Man how time flies when you're having fun.

 

I remember reading a few threads that the 185 can cause higher temps and/or lean conditions. It has to vary from car and setup but the fact that it has happened steered me away from it. All pulleys run similar track times so he will be happy with any choice.

 

the parallel between the pulleys and the enhanced cooling system is simple. more boost creates more heat. more heat requires more cooling to keep the ecu from shutting down the s/c due to high iat temps.

this applies from a oem pulley to a c3 to the 192 that dj has on his srt-6. if you inc the boost you have to cool it down.
to compare a 185 with cooling mods to a 181 without is apples to oranges. were does the power come in? thats what you should consider. were does the pulley make the most torque? another consideration. are you road racing , drag racing just want the biggest of everything you can find? these answers will determine what pulley setup is best for you

and finally who is installing the pulley? that should be one of the largest concerns. if you improperly install a c3 pulley the damage is minimal and might cause s/c damage. install a crank pulley wrong and the damage can range from a broken keyway to a damaged crank toasted motor and many broken parts in the front of the engine if the pulley ping pongs around the engine bay..

do your homework!!

 

After doing all the "homework", I can tell you this; There will never be a "consensus" or definitive answer to which one is better. All the code 3 guys get a good chuckle when we discuss the Crank Pulley Size Debate. And quite frankly, if I could get a brand new code 3 pulley, it would be on the girl right now. That being said, I'm getting a 181 simply because it will give me more boost/more quickly than a 178 but is safer than a 185 @ WOT.

 

I've done lots of homework, and done it on more than one vehicle, so I fully understand the debate. The problem I see with the 185 is it exceeds (from what I've read) the efficiency of the SC. Therefore, I'd be suffering more parasitic loss from having to turn the thing so fast and also lose power from all the heat generated. I'd have 23PSI, but the last few PSI would potentially cost me power.

From my correspondence with Eurocharged, the 181 makes more power unless you have headers, and I'm not about to throw good money at that. At least not at the price I saw for them. They may be worth if for some, but not for me. That's from the horse's mouth, so it's good enough for me.

Yes, the 185 will create more boost sooner, but the trade-off just isn't worth it for me. I'd love an extra 20HP from the 185, but at the expense it's not worth it to me.

Thanks for all the help, and I'd also jump on a C3 in a heartbeat if it was available. 32Krazy!, sell me that C3 and make my day! By the way, you live down the road from me.

 

I apologize for the ignorant question but why cant we get a C3 pulley anymore?

 

I wonder the same thing?

Will the 181 generate more power in low and mid range over the 178?

 

I believe the company that made it was bought out by Eurocharged, and at that time it was discontinued. However, I've heard a rumor that Eurocharged may have a SC pulley available in the near future.

 

Sorry but have to chime in....might not own it any longer but I bet no one has done more with a 185 by eurocharged!

Yes you will beat the **** out of people with the 185 but you will have heat and fuel problems instantly if you run your car for real!
But if you know when and how you will win!
Of course I wish the fuel issue had been figured out years ago...now that it has the car is more of a weapon then it was then!
Yes the 185 is a killer....made a lotta money with that car...nuttin like beatin a callvette and then,,,,,,,,pm m me I have bben told not to reveal online what I have done with the car!

Believe me 185 is the way to go...but with all the other mods go with it.

Funny thing due to family and other fun toys I switched vehicles....everyone asks me whats next for street fun...740hp is my min.
cause thats the only way its gonna work to get to beat what I had ina srt6 with a 185

Bythe way I now drive a 60,000.00 F150 go figure life changes ya!

 

What are u lookin to do with the car?
Win at the track?
Win on the street?
Win no matter what on the interstate?
Now a bunch of panties will be upset with those questions.
PM me and we can talk!







by the way "more expense for 20hp"....stay home if you want to lose.
GO BIG OR STAY HOME!
Hell if EUROCHARGED will get it for ya get the 191!
Its all about ya want to win short track(light to light) or long distance sustainablity(interstate long distance)


Oh go big or stay home....my neighbor pulls 11.98 all day long in a super duty pick up.

 

For what it’s worth, don’t think you will totally avoid fueling issues with a 181, despite those that think the factory fuel system can compensate for a 30% (+) increase in boost.

Just my experience….

 

De'ja' Vu with this thread wouldn't you say?

 

To clarify my position, I’m not saying any pulley setup is better than the other, run which ever you like. I’m running the 181 and have been since LET had its first group buy on this forum. I’ve had several tunes via dyno, remote laptop and on site hand held so I’m speaking based on my personal experience with the 181 over time.

Just be vigilant with which ever pulley you choose....

 

with my last vehicle I could datalog A/F and make my own adjustments with a Predator or Trinity. I suppose from what i'm reading that we don't have any options. Is there anything on the horizon to allow us to do this?

 

Code3 is no longer in business so no more pulley's....their products were taken over by HPautowerks if I am not mistaken but they do not make the C3 pulley now...(I think they did, or were planning to but didnt).

So your options are to find a USED Code3 pulley, the 178ASP or 181/185 EC pulley.....

 

Wow, can you please share. Any timeslips????? It sounds too good to be true but if i found a way make a lot more power than others with the 185 pulley i would def let the secret out. Sharing is caring!!!

 

I have run a 185 for a couple years.
Tried a 181 a couple of weeks ago.
Put the 185 back into service.