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Silly Question - can you remove/swap batteries from the car if it's running?

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Old Sep 29, 2014 | 07:41 PM
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Default Silly Question - can you remove/swap batteries from the car if it's running?

I had to do a jump start the other day. 6 weeks idle while I was OS working (Chile).
Tried to jump it from a charged (slightly smaller) spare I had, but ended up having to swap batteries.
I guess too many cable losses and inertia to get it over the line.

Once running - I would have liked to then simply swap batteries back, but was concerned I might do some damage to the smarts.
If I could swap - that way I could have driven her around for a while to recharge it.
In the end I took the dead battery home and put it on the charger for 24hrs - (not preferred)

Anyone successfully swapped batteries - (like the good 'ol days) - with the car running - or is it now a thing of the past?
 
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Old Sep 29, 2014 | 07:52 PM
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Default Re: Silly Question - can you remove/swap batteries from the car if it's running?

thing of the past.....too many electronics.....
 
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Old Sep 29, 2014 | 08:15 PM
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Default Re: Silly Question - can you remove/swap batteries from the car if it's running?

Even in the past, that was a bad idea, just not as sensitive as today's electronics. When ever possible, you should always bring a battery back to life using a battery charger. An alternator is designed to maintain battery voltage. Charging a battery from dead using an alternator requires a huge amount of amperage. Large draws like that can greatly reduce the life of the components in an alternator. Yes I know it is done all the time, but that does not mean it is the best way to handle the issue.

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Old Sep 29, 2014 | 08:34 PM
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Default Re: Silly Question - can you remove/swap batteries from the car if it's running?

In the old days we might install a new battery that way, but never to charge a dead one. James is certainly right. A lot of load for the alternator to handle, and that battery may well have a dead cell in it. That could be why it is dead, or worse yet a damaged cell, that will short. Now, you have a dead battery and a dead alternator....
 
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Old Sep 29, 2014 | 08:39 PM
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Default Re: Silly Question - can you remove/swap batteries from the car if it's running?

Gosh, I don't know from experience with newer cars. I know for a fact it was safe on a 60's car. Heck, I did it! I would hope the alternator would supply enough Umph at idle on newer than 60's cars that it could be done ..... safely. If you so it, let us know.

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Old Sep 29, 2014 | 08:41 PM
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Needs juice to fire..... Low voltage and you have rough running car, no voltage, no run.....lol
 
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Old Oct 2, 2014 | 03:43 PM
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Default Re: Silly Question - can you remove/swap batteries from the car if it's running?

thanks guys - thought as much...
but I would have suspected the car's regulator circuit would have controlled the Amps....well maybe not in a 60's truck...;>)
 
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Old Oct 2, 2014 | 08:33 PM
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Used to be able to do it in the old days with a 37A alternator and dumb electrics but back in the early 70's I did some tests for the SCCA relating to kill switches and saw spikes over 200 volts if you disconnected a battery while charging.


Reason is simple: ELI the ICE man. A battery is like a big capacitor. Disconnect the battery while at a high charge and suddenly the amps go to zero and while the field is collapsing, the voltage goes through the roof.


Modern 100A+ alternators and fragile electrics just make this worse.


So before swapping batteries, shut the engine off.


Note: you can generally disconnect jumpers with the engines running because each still has a battery in the circut.

 
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