Shipping a firearm
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Shipping a firearm
My grandpa found out I was looking to buy a shotgun, and it just so happens he has one he doesn't ever use any more. He offered to give it to me if we can figure out how to ship it (he lives in California and I'm in Texas).
I found this:
The Gun Zone -- Shipping Firearms
but I'm not entirely sure what it all means...
We also were thinking if they won't let us send a full shotgun through the mail, could he take it apart and send the barrel in one box and the rest of the gun in another box, 2 shipments?
Does anybody here have any experience shipping firearms that could give some advice? We don't really want to use an FFL carrier if it can be avoided, since that seems like it could be rather pricey.
(the shotgun is a pre-1964 Winchester model 12)
p.s. he has a pistol he say's he'll send too, if he can find it. I'm pretty sure the laws concerning shipping a pistol are different, though... any advice here too?
I found this:
The Gun Zone -- Shipping Firearms
but I'm not entirely sure what it all means...
We also were thinking if they won't let us send a full shotgun through the mail, could he take it apart and send the barrel in one box and the rest of the gun in another box, 2 shipments?
Does anybody here have any experience shipping firearms that could give some advice? We don't really want to use an FFL carrier if it can be avoided, since that seems like it could be rather pricey.
(the shotgun is a pre-1964 Winchester model 12)
p.s. he has a pistol he say's he'll send too, if he can find it. I'm pretty sure the laws concerning shipping a pistol are different, though... any advice here too?
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Re: Shipping a firearm
UPS accepts packages containing firearms, as defined by Title 18, Chapter 44, and Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code, for transportation from and between licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, and licensed collectors, as defined in Title 18, Chapter 44 of the United States Code
He's just going to ship the gun in parts in separate shipments, since it says that it's ok to ship gun PARTS as long as they can't be assembled to form a firearm
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Re: Shipping a firearm
... just some of life's advice:
Take the time to drive or fly out to see your Grandfather while his is still alive. I imagine he has a few stories to go along with that fine old Model 12.
Regards.
Take the time to drive or fly out to see your Grandfather while his is still alive. I imagine he has a few stories to go along with that fine old Model 12.
Regards.
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Re: Shipping a firearm
... just some of life's advice:
Take the time to drive or fly out to see your Grandfather while his is still alive. I imagine he has a few stories to go along with that fine old Model 12.
Regards.
Take the time to drive or fly out to see your Grandfather while his is still alive. I imagine he has a few stories to go along with that fine old Model 12.
Regards.
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Re: Shipping a firearm
Dwight, I'm glad you beat me to it!
A perfect opportunity.
A perfect opportunity.
Originally Posted by dwightdmagee
... just some of life's advice:
Take the time to drive or fly out to see your Grandfather while his is still alive. I imagine he has a few stories to go along with that fine old Model 12.
Regards.
Take the time to drive or fly out to see your Grandfather while his is still alive. I imagine he has a few stories to go along with that fine old Model 12.
Regards.
and trust me he told me all the stories of all of his guns.
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Re: Shipping a firearm
Originally Posted by ///SilverSaphRT6
You can ship UPS....I work in Shipping and have shipped a few guns for a guy that sells guns. He had his packaged in a wooden box setup.
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Re: Shipping a firearm
DO NOT DO WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING. IT IS MOST DEFINITELY ILLEGAL.
On every firearm made, pretty much for the past 111 years, there exists one "part" that carries the serial number of the gun. This part is, for the relevant legal purposes, the firearm itself. Shipping that in interstate commerce in order to effectuate a transfer of ownership between two people, even if each could legally otherwise own the gun, is illegal when done between individuals who do not hold Federal Firearms Licenses.
Don't get cute with this and think you can save $20 or $25 bucks per gun avoiding the fee you'll likely have to pay a local FFL to receive the guns for you.
ALSO, since you are only 18 years old, a dealer will not be able to transfer a handgun to you. TX allows you to own one at 18, but not to buy one from a dealer.
(ATF Online - Publication 5300.5: State Laws and Published Ordinances - Firearms)
Nice, quick, and readable summary:
GunBroker.com Support FAQ 1118 : Firearms Shipping Guide
For god's sake, if you have to ask legal advice on an internet forum please at least make it a forum somewhat related to the topic at hand.
I don't ask members of the TheFiringLine Crossfire questions, and I sure as hell wouldn't risk federal firearms charges by relying upon permissive firearms shipping advice I received from a car forum.
I know it is "rude" to use large fonts, but if not now, when?
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And yes, I Am A Lawyer but I'm not your lawyer. Nothing contained in this message counts as legal advice. You are not my client and I am not bound by lawyer client privilege. I am not admitted to the practice of law in TX, only NY.
On every firearm made, pretty much for the past 111 years, there exists one "part" that carries the serial number of the gun. This part is, for the relevant legal purposes, the firearm itself. Shipping that in interstate commerce in order to effectuate a transfer of ownership between two people, even if each could legally otherwise own the gun, is illegal when done between individuals who do not hold Federal Firearms Licenses.
Don't get cute with this and think you can save $20 or $25 bucks per gun avoiding the fee you'll likely have to pay a local FFL to receive the guns for you.
ALSO, since you are only 18 years old, a dealer will not be able to transfer a handgun to you. TX allows you to own one at 18, but not to buy one from a dealer.
(ATF Online - Publication 5300.5: State Laws and Published Ordinances - Firearms)
Nice, quick, and readable summary:
GunBroker.com Support FAQ 1118 : Firearms Shipping Guide
Shipping Legalities Federal Law requires that all modern firearms be shipped only to a holder of a valid Federal Firearms License (FFL). The recipient must be have an FFL; however the sender is not required to have one. Any person who is legally allowed to own a firearm is legally allowed to ship it to an FFL holder for any legal purpose (including sale or resale). Here is exactly what the ATF 'Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide' (ATF P 5300.4) says:
(B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]
(B7) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?[A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.
[18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]
(B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]
(B7) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?[A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.
[18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]
I don't ask members of the TheFiringLine Crossfire questions, and I sure as hell wouldn't risk federal firearms charges by relying upon permissive firearms shipping advice I received from a car forum.
I know it is "rude" to use large fonts, but if not now, when?
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And yes, I Am A Lawyer but I'm not your lawyer. Nothing contained in this message counts as legal advice. You are not my client and I am not bound by lawyer client privilege. I am not admitted to the practice of law in TX, only NY.
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