More AGW...
Curious as to weather (I know it's not spelled like that
) the below is true or just another load of WWW horse manure?
US Weather Bureau Report
The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some
places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to
the Commerce Department yesterday from Consul Ifft, at Bergen , Norway .
Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers, he declared, all
point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of
temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that
scarcely any ice has been met with as far north as 81 degrees 29
minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream
still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of
earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known
glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are
found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts,
which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in
the old seal fishing grounds.
POST SCRIPT
sorry, I neglected to mention that this report was from
November 2, 1922 as reported by the AP and published in The Washington
Post./*
US Weather Bureau Report
The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some
places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to
the Commerce Department yesterday from Consul Ifft, at Bergen , Norway .
Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers, he declared, all
point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of
temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that
scarcely any ice has been met with as far north as 81 degrees 29
minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream
still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of
earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known
glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are
found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts,
which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in
the old seal fishing grounds.
POST SCRIPT
sorry, I neglected to mention that this report was from
November 2, 1922 as reported by the AP and published in The Washington
Post./*
Originally Posted by waylander
Curious as to weather (I know it's not spelled like that
) the below is true or just another load of WWW horse manure?
US Weather Bureau Report
The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some
places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to
the Commerce Department yesterday from Consul Ifft, at Bergen , Norway .
Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers, he declared, all
point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of
temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that
scarcely any ice has been met with as far north as 81 degrees 29
minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream
still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of
earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known
glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are
found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts,
which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in
the old seal fishing grounds.
POST SCRIPT
sorry, I neglected to mention that this report was from
November 2, 1922 as reported by the AP and published in The Washington
Post./*
US Weather Bureau Report
The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some
places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to
the Commerce Department yesterday from Consul Ifft, at Bergen , Norway .
Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers, he declared, all
point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of
temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that
scarcely any ice has been met with as far north as 81 degrees 29
minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream
still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of
earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known
glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are
found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts,
which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in
the old seal fishing grounds.
POST SCRIPT
sorry, I neglected to mention that this report was from
November 2, 1922 as reported by the AP and published in The Washington
Post./*
I'm quite sure when the folks at Noaa, the CRU, and the IPCC did their computer modeling the very precise measurments of "very warm" and "too hot" were included in the computations along with the tree ring data.
This would later be confirmed by accurate observations of the Himalayas in a hikers mag and all of it is "peer reviewed" by other warmies so................ don't worry, carry on.
Last edited by Franc Rauscher; Feb 12, 2010 at 11:15 AM.
Originally Posted by waylander
and elsewhere 1.000s protest global waming....


You know, just looking at the history of Greenland gives a very good indication of climate shift over the centuries, and even what's known as "The Little Ice Age" that occurred between the 16th and 19th centuries. I have serious doubts that mankind caused Greenland to be warm enough at one point that barley could be grown as far north as the 70th parallel, or that we caused cooling to the extent that alpine glaciers destroyed Swiss villages in the 17th Century. I suppose that when referenced to that period we are, indeed, in a warming trend. But so what? Greenland has a long historical record of warming and cooling. It's naturally cyclical, and impossible to blame on mankind's actions.
Looking at photos of the polar ice caps over the past several years there is no denying that they're receding. But at the same time, New York City is most definitely NOT underwater, nor is Miami. Or London. Or any other seaport in the world (except, of course, New Orleans, but that's another story). There is big money being made through this Chicken Little attitude about global warming - oh, sorry, climate change. See, they've even gotten politically correct about what to call their scam....uh, cause... no, wait..... catastrophe! Yeah, that's it. A man made catastrophe.
But I digress.
Greenland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Little Ice Age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Read those two entries and look at the time lines - there have been some pretty dramatic temperature shifts over the years, and I'm not talking about 100,000 or even 10,000 years - just a few hundred.
Looking at photos of the polar ice caps over the past several years there is no denying that they're receding. But at the same time, New York City is most definitely NOT underwater, nor is Miami. Or London. Or any other seaport in the world (except, of course, New Orleans, but that's another story). There is big money being made through this Chicken Little attitude about global warming - oh, sorry, climate change. See, they've even gotten politically correct about what to call their scam....uh, cause... no, wait..... catastrophe! Yeah, that's it. A man made catastrophe.

But I digress.
Greenland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Little Ice Age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Read those two entries and look at the time lines - there have been some pretty dramatic temperature shifts over the years, and I'm not talking about 100,000 or even 10,000 years - just a few hundred.
Mike, you are absolutely correct. Anyone who has any knowledge of climate change over the centuries must know just how cyclical short term temp. changes can be. Additionally, it seems that very few take into account the El Nino & La Nina variations in the Pacific ocean currents. We're having an El Nino climate this year & if record snows on the East Coast & down south aren't an indication of just how volatile the changes are with these 2 phenomena I don't know what else is.
Last edited by Kurts; Feb 15, 2010 at 08:49 PM.
One cannot say that because we are having the coldest winter weather, with record snowfalls throughout the northern hemisphere, that global warming does not exist any more than one could say because 1998 was reportedly the hottest year on record, that it does.
BTW 1998 was not the hottest year on record as reported then, but that misinformation is another story.
Roadster with a stick
BTW 1998 was not the hottest year on record as reported then, but that misinformation is another story.
Roadster with a stick





