Eibachs on SRT: upgrade or downgrade
This review only pertains to Eibachs on a SRT-6 and not N/A Crossfire.
Well the results are in. Eibachs are an appearance item. The car looks great, the ride I find a bit bouncy but that could be more the shock settings. The dive on braking is worse than the stock SRT springs and my times were much slower. As far as rubbing I'm getting a little on the inside of the front fenders even with the 5 dot pad, but it's so slight that I doesn't really matter. For outright performance for a SRT I'd look elsewhere. Right now, as we speak, I think eventually I'll cut the stock springs or pay the price and get Bilstein PSS9's. If you track your SRT don't waste you time or money on Eibachs. IMO
I'm real disappointed.
Les
Well the results are in. Eibachs are an appearance item. The car looks great, the ride I find a bit bouncy but that could be more the shock settings. The dive on braking is worse than the stock SRT springs and my times were much slower. As far as rubbing I'm getting a little on the inside of the front fenders even with the 5 dot pad, but it's so slight that I doesn't really matter. For outright performance for a SRT I'd look elsewhere. Right now, as we speak, I think eventually I'll cut the stock springs or pay the price and get Bilstein PSS9's. If you track your SRT don't waste you time or money on Eibachs. IMO
I'm real disappointed.
Les
Originally Posted by velociabstract
This review only pertains to Eibachs on a SRT-6 and not N/A Crossfire.
Well the results are in. Eibachs are an appearance item. The car looks great, the ride I find a bit bouncy but that could be more the shock settings. The dive on braking is worse than the stock SRT springs and my times were much slower. As far as rubbing I'm getting a little on the inside of the front fenders even with the 5 dot pad, but it's so slight that I doesn't really matter. For outright performance for a SRT I'd look elsewhere. Right now, as we speak, I think eventually I'll cut the stock springs or pay the price and get Bilstein PSS9's. If you track your SRT don't waste you time or money on Eibachs. IMO
I'm real disappointed.
Les
Well the results are in. Eibachs are an appearance item. The car looks great, the ride I find a bit bouncy but that could be more the shock settings. The dive on braking is worse than the stock SRT springs and my times were much slower. As far as rubbing I'm getting a little on the inside of the front fenders even with the 5 dot pad, but it's so slight that I doesn't really matter. For outright performance for a SRT I'd look elsewhere. Right now, as we speak, I think eventually I'll cut the stock springs or pay the price and get Bilstein PSS9's. If you track your SRT don't waste you time or money on Eibachs. IMO
I'm real disappointed.
Les
I made other changes along with the springs which I plan to undo before I yank them out and cuss them until they change color. Also I'm going to work with the springs before putting them up for sale. Maybe put in a spring rubber like in Nascar.
On a side note, I was moved up to the fast class and I'm going to need more power next year. Those modified Subi's are putting out 450 at the wheels. Also the organizing body is talking about new requirements for track time. It seems the street cars are faster than some of the race cars now and they may insist on a roll cage. (I did outrun a few race cars myself)
It's clear to me now that Eibach's are a street spring, at least what they sell for the Crossfires.
I'm going to ponder K&W coilovers too. The spring rate on the front is 680 which sounds about right to me.
Les
On a side note, I was moved up to the fast class and I'm going to need more power next year. Those modified Subi's are putting out 450 at the wheels. Also the organizing body is talking about new requirements for track time. It seems the street cars are faster than some of the race cars now and they may insist on a roll cage. (I did outrun a few race cars myself)
It's clear to me now that Eibach's are a street spring, at least what they sell for the Crossfires.
I'm going to ponder K&W coilovers too. The spring rate on the front is 680 which sounds about right to me.
Les
Originally Posted by velociabstract
I made other changes along with the springs which I plan to undo before I yank them out and cuss them until they change color. Also I'm going to work with the springs before putting them up for sale. Maybe put in a spring rubber like in Nascar.
On a side note, I was moved up to the fast class and I'm going to need more power next year. Those modified Subi's are putting out 450 at the wheels. Also the organizing body is talking about new requirements for track time. It seems the street cars are faster than some of the race cars now and they may insist on a roll cage. (I did outrun a few race cars myself)
It's clear to me now that Eibach's are a street spring, at least what they sell for the Crossfires.
I'm going to ponder K&W coilovers too. The spring rate on the front is 680 which sounds about right to me.
Les
On a side note, I was moved up to the fast class and I'm going to need more power next year. Those modified Subi's are putting out 450 at the wheels. Also the organizing body is talking about new requirements for track time. It seems the street cars are faster than some of the race cars now and they may insist on a roll cage. (I did outrun a few race cars myself)
It's clear to me now that Eibach's are a street spring, at least what they sell for the Crossfires.
I'm going to ponder K&W coilovers too. The spring rate on the front is 680 which sounds about right to me.
Les
I may have the link where i bought them, i will check tomorrow. you could get different heights and stiffness on them, i used the medium or hard i do not recall. you can also get spring clamps to use with the spring rubbers to ensure 100% that they do not come out. i have a few sets of those as well.
whoever said the spring rates are 451 front 480 rear has them backwards.
no fr layout car in the world has stiffer springs in the rear then the front.
no fr layout car in the world has stiffer springs in the rear then the front.
Originally Posted by velociabstract
This review only pertains to Eibachs on a SRT-6 and not N/A Crossfire.
Well the results are in. Eibachs are an appearance item. The car looks great, the ride I find a bit bouncy but that could be more the shock settings. The dive on braking is worse than the stock SRT springs and my times were much slower. As far as rubbing I'm getting a little on the inside of the front fenders even with the 5 dot pad, but it's so slight that I doesn't really matter. For outright performance for a SRT I'd look elsewhere. Right now, as we speak, I think eventually I'll cut the stock springs or pay the price and get Bilstein PSS9's. If you track your SRT don't waste you time or money on Eibachs. IMO
I'm real disappointed.
Les
Well the results are in. Eibachs are an appearance item. The car looks great, the ride I find a bit bouncy but that could be more the shock settings. The dive on braking is worse than the stock SRT springs and my times were much slower. As far as rubbing I'm getting a little on the inside of the front fenders even with the 5 dot pad, but it's so slight that I doesn't really matter. For outright performance for a SRT I'd look elsewhere. Right now, as we speak, I think eventually I'll cut the stock springs or pay the price and get Bilstein PSS9's. If you track your SRT don't waste you time or money on Eibachs. IMO
I'm real disappointed.
Les
Some new developments today. I suspected that the shop that did the instal didn't cut the bump stops so I got out the tools and went to the basement to check out the instal. To keep a long story short, one of the front springs is installed upside down. The rear bump stops were not trimmed either. I took care of the bump stops but the shop will have to do the spring. I took pictures of the rubbing etc and will post them later today or tomorrow. I guess I'll give the springs another track day before I make a final decision about yanking them out or working with them. The word is, check the work you pay to have done, you never know for sure if it's done right.
Les
Les
Last edited by velociabstract; Nov 26, 2009 at 01:04 PM. Reason: added photos
I got a couple of photos of my car cornering. It looks pretty good in the corner, to me. What do you think? I had negative camber in the rear and it made the rear of the car real nervous. I'm going to undo most of it before the next track day.
Les
Les
I use the Gopro all the time and I like it but in low light the video is dark. I hear the new version fixes a lot of the things people criticize about the original. Low battery life for example. I forgot to empty the memory card in the camera so I didn't get much video. The tape job? Oh I'd say 20 to 30 minutes. I didn't tape the car my first track day and ...... now I always tape it. As a matter of fact, I'm looking at other products because I want to put the tape with a plastic product on top. The rocks will often leave a mark regardless of the tape. I see 115 or more on the straight and most cars are running soft compound tires which pick up and throw everything.
Now that I see the pictures in the corner I'm thinking my "new alignment" needs changing. I've got a Pyrometer coming soon to take some of the guess work out of the equation.
Les
Now that I see the pictures in the corner I'm thinking my "new alignment" needs changing. I've got a Pyrometer coming soon to take some of the guess work out of the equation.
Les
I decided to return to give a new update. I wanted to give them another chance now that I'm more knowledgeable adjusting the car so I reinstalled the Eibachs in the rear (easier than the front) and tried a couple of different spring pads for different ride heights. I've done 2 track days with them and another day of testing at a track and they come out this afternoon. I tried different alignments (toe and camber) and lots of air pressure changes but nothing I've tried has resulted in quicker track times. As a matter of fact, they made the car crazy loose when combined with the stock springs in the front. They are fine for day to day and spirited driving but for racing they can't be made to work as well as the stock springs IMO.
Les
Les
Originally Posted by tunaglove
Les, how about street driving? Sometimes my SRT just seemes too stiff for a DD.
Originally Posted by velociabstract
They are fine for day to day and spirited driving but for racing they can't be made to work as well as the stock springs IMO.
Les
Les
They ride much better on the street than the stock springs. I would say, very comfy. My issues with them is at the limits of traction. With the Eibach's the limit comes sooner than with the stock springs. Franky, the car is scary loose in all the corners. (I'm talking warp speed) I feel fast with them and with the my stock cut springs but the timer always says the stock springs are faster ..... and by quite a bit. I don't know why but thats the way it is.
Les
Les
Ive run the pro kits on my car since 2007 and have tracked at willow springs numerous times...I love the feel over stock...though im running different tire and wheels sizes...Im running tsw 19x9 front and 19x10 rear with 235 35 19 front and 295 30 19 rear...I have had no issues and love the set up, not bouncy at all and corners flawless and effortlessly....My opinion...it handles much better than my c5 vette
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Originally Posted by velociabstract
They ride much better on the street than the stock springs. I would say, very comfy. My issues with them is at the limits of traction. With the Eibach's the limit comes sooner than with the stock springs. Franky, the car is scary loose in all the corners. (I'm talking warp speed) I feel fast with them and with the my stock cut springs but the timer always says the stock springs are faster ..... and by quite a bit. I don't know why but thats the way it is.
Les
Les
I cut my springs back 2005 when I first bought my car...
needless to say I was confused and wanted the lowered look...But at the end of the my back said enough!!!!! No more bouncyness!!!!! Never cut your springs people the ride is horrible!!! My two cents!
I gave specific instructions when my springs were cut. Plenty of lubrication to keep the heat from the process under control.
Most people that have the Eibach's absolutely love them. I find it odd as you do and for that reason I keep putting the Eibach's in and giving them another chance. But I've given up. It's possible that I got a bad set....?????
I took the Eibach's out again yesterday and I have the stock cut springs installed. My plan is to get a spring tester and see exactly what spring rate they have after the cutting. That way I'll know what height and spring rate to get from Hypercoil or the like.
Les
Most people that have the Eibach's absolutely love them. I find it odd as you do and for that reason I keep putting the Eibach's in and giving them another chance. But I've given up. It's possible that I got a bad set....?????
I took the Eibach's out again yesterday and I have the stock cut springs installed. My plan is to get a spring tester and see exactly what spring rate they have after the cutting. That way I'll know what height and spring rate to get from Hypercoil or the like.
Les
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