I think if you just putt putt around they might be ok, but I think alot of us drive the car for performance and they are not performance pads. This may be the diff in experiences. My intention for this thread was to let the performance oriented people know that they throw lots of dust under hard braking! It was not intended for the n/a or casual drivers. Stopping from 55mph to 0mph on your way for coffee does'nt make much heat.