you know what, i have been in the rotary world for like 6 years which is why i iknow of tuners like ito. i had, up until a few months ago, a first gen rx7 with a 13bt turbo 2 swap running on a wolf 3d ecu and a turbo 2 tranny with a ford 9" rear end that put down over 350hp to the wheels, so i do have a right to call the rx8 a pig, and having driven both my crossfire and the rx8, i know its a pig. it handles well, yeah, but with a boatload of body roll and it unless you spanks the cluthc youll run a mid 15. 5-60, crossfire will probably have 2 carlenths on an rx8. my old car stomped z06's. do the math 350whp and 2000lbs, 2170 with driver. thats what 400 crank hp probably. anyways i ran a 11.5 at palmdale so maybe i know a thing or two about fast cars. and the edit thing, of course i don't remember exactly what you said, but it was something about the way our car looks, and you know you said it, so stop trying to look like the good guy. fact is, you've been banned from here once, per your rx8 club postings, so why should anyone believe anything you say. ultimately, im done with you and this topic. bye........