Thanks, this is helpful, and it is as I suspected...all euro cars. These problems are not at all related to the 111R Federal Car.

I WILL say that MISS Cindy did overstate what she read, or what she partially read...the floor board corrosion for example.

Cindy intimated it was a corrosion through problem, even calling them the flintstone mobile. It was glib, but misleading and far from accurate.

Her source, which apparently was only half read, said the problem was in a very small number of cars (the euro cars have been sold since 1996, 10's of thousands sold), and the corrosion was only on the upper surface, NOT even remotely corroded through.

I don't mind a healthy give and take on the merits of any vehicle, the Lotus included. I don't think the Lotus is perfect and I have no problem citing what I DON'T like about it, informed as an owner.

But when somebody is stating something in the context of criticism, it is helpful if they are themselves thorough in what they're citing, but also citing their source accurately and in context.

That is what got Danny Boy into trouble, making an outrageous claim re a dealer selling below MSRP, then when it was quite obvious he was playing fast and loose with the truth, he has done the most remarkable song and dance one can imagine to try to save face when he had to admit that the cars were indeed being sold by the dealer at MSRP.

Best to just deal straight off the top of the deck. Miss Cindy, if you love your Crossfire, hate the Lotus, wish I'd just shut up and go away...best to just say so. Don't pull out irrelavant data to NOT prove your point!