True Frank, but if you don't ask for it you don't have a starting point. Mine started at $45,000. I offered $25,000. In the end I paid $35,000 with an extended warranty of 7 years. Did I pay too much? I don't know but it's the best $35,000 car I've ever owned. I hope your not going to ride me about the $39,999.99 not being $40,000.00 like some so with 1/4 mile times.

Les