Always offer less than you want to pay !!! Because the dealers always come back with a counter offer just to see what your willing to go !!! So start out a lot lower than what you want to spend because they are going to come back with another offer !!! I just lov playing their games & making offers & buying cars !!!! Good luck !!! Im thinking tops would be around 10,500 to but its all about what you really want right !!!!!!!!!!