Les, you said it best buddy...I have nothing but muscle car friends, had Camaro's/Vette's...and yes, some of them new...the ZO6 was new, the camaro Z's were all new...in fact, the XF's are the first used cars I have owned in awhile. Mainly because who would pay a new price, when my Chrysler dealer buddy warned me they weren't selling, and dealers were getting stuck. He wouldn't have a new one on the lot at the time. And, wouldn't even look for one for me. But who cares, most underrated car out there, still the best bang for the HP buck going...but, the new Camaro is tempting me, ZL1...I would imagine the srt's would kick it's butt though...just enjoy them gentleman, destined to be something special someday...my enjoyment is knowing I own two for less than the price of that ZO6 that I was afraid to drive, or get a scratch on ...I'm driving these...