I've got to say that this is one of the most civilized car forums I keep track of......perhaps it says something of the kind of people who buy or are simply interested in the Crossfire. A little heated debate (so long as it doesn't get personal), is always stimulating and to see this thread rounded off with maturity was very satisfying, not say redeeming, as for a while I thought it was about to slip into an ugly word fest of the kind seen on lesser boards. Well done everyone.