Originally Posted by pizzaguy

See what you wrote in the beginning? The car quit on you - that has nothing to to with the starter.

While it IS true you COULD have two problems that happened near the same time, 30 years of electronic troubleshooting (that is how I earned my living) tells me: NO. It is not two problems.

Well, not likely.

I have not met anyone who know these cars' electronics like 'the kid' does (Josh), and he and I are saying the same thing.


If you loose power from the "Engine control relay" the car will quit. Also, the starter won't engage - and this is exactly what you are describing. It is very possible that the Engine Control Relay's contacts are pitted and crappy - that - or you have a bad solder connection on the RCB.

I WISH one of these cars would do this close to me, so I could go work on it - I MISS diagnosing electrical and electronic problems!