in that slk forum they talk of headers made out of mild steel, ceramic coated, for $1,150... not bad, not good... just better than what we have heard thus far... mild steel will react better to heat cycling since it does not expand wildly like stainless... however, the cost for a mild steel header, even if it is ceramic coated, should be around 800 - 900... production cost is very low to have mild steel flanges cut as it does not clog the equipment like aluminum and is not as hard to work with like stainless... welding mild steel is much cheaper as well... this makes me miss the great shops that where available to my old neon community where parts where cheap and plentiful.