thank you for reply, i am the wrong side of the pond, in the uk, it is the electronics side that puts me off having a go at the conversion, i do enjoy the car with the 6cyl, it is a nice engine, but the sound and power a v8 has is tempting, i have not long had the crossfire, always liked the look of them, then joined this forum and have been looking at the work folk do to theres , the v8 upgrade turns an already unique car into something even more so i feel. suns out i am off for a topless drive