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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 10:00 PM
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Completely off topic but the 427s were essentially a complete redesign and did not use the AC Ace chassis modified by AC & produced for the original 260 and 289 Cobras.

It is really amazing that it worked so well since there had been many hybrid cars with European styling and American powertrains (including the Facel Vega with Chrysler engines and Cad-Allards) but the Cobra was the one that really worked.
 
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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 10:05 PM
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I was watching that video with Jay Leno and Iacocca talking about Carroll bugging him. Wouldn't you liked to him been in the room with those two...
 
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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 10:17 PM
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LOL.
Eric Stoddard tells it better. I too wish he would relate the story again.
Where did he tell the story? Maybe we can find it again.
 
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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 10:18 PM
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And what my window sticker says is 84% from Germany. For example the wheels are stamped "Made in Poland" (though why it is in English has always made me wonder), the glass is US Spec from Pilkington (UK ?), I do not know where the OEM tires were made, and other components may have been made elsewhere and just assembled at Karmann (Osnabrueck).

It does say US/Canadian content 0%
 
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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Padgett
And what my window sticker says is 84% from Germany. For example the wheels are stamped "Made in Poland" (though why it is in English has always made me wonder), the glass is US Spec from Pilkington (UK ?), I do not know where the OEM tires were made, and other components may have been made elsewhere and just assembled at Karmann (Osnabrueck).

It does say US/Canadian content 0%
I don't know about the rest of you, but my Crossfire was assembled in the USA. At least according to the VIN it is. Not sure how DC pulled that trick off.
 
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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob M
I don't know about the rest of you, but my Crossfire was assembled in the USA. At least according to the VIN it is. Not sure how DC pulled that trick off.
I have wondered the same thing.
 
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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 10:47 PM
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LMAO...... how does Washington DC do anything.... It's called an illusion....magicians do it all the time....oops that could be political, then again maybe it's just an illusion
 
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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by oledoc2u
LMAO...... how does Washington DC do anything.... It's called an illusion....magicians do it all the time....oops that could be political, then again maybe it's just an illusion
LOL, he wasn't talking about Washington DC. Can I have some of those meds...
 
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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob M
I don't know about the rest of you, but my Crossfire was assembled in the USA. At least according to the VIN it is. Not sure how DC pulled that trick off.
Simple, they called the Karmann plant an outbuilding of the US embassy.
 
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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 09:45 AM
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a) I spent decades avoiding being moved to the beltway. At one point I was working on School Street and the joke was that on Fridays I would be home quicker than half the people in the office (some lived in PA). Back then there was a flight from DC to/from Orlando every hour.

b) The first three digits of the VIN are the manufacturer's ID, the country code (first digit) is just of convenience but usually where the headquarters is.

565.15 Content requirements


(a) The first section shall consist of

three characters that occupy positions

one through three (1–3) in the VIN.

This section shall uniquely identify the

manufacturer and type of the motor

vehicle if the manufacturer is a highvolume

manufacturer.



" see the federal reg.

In general US mfrs VINs start with 1, 4, or 5 but is not part of the reg. Any digit can be a letter also. See Hyundai for an extreme example. Note the use of "5" in some.

So when Chrysler lists a VIN as
CROSSFIRE VIN CODE BREAKDOWN
1 Country of Origin 1 = Manufactured By DaimlerChrysler Corporation
2 Make C = Chrysler
3 Vehicle Type 3 = Passenger Car

That was Chrysler's decision and had nothing to do with the beltway bandits.

Note: I suspect the "1C" part was by general agreement among US mfrs a long time ago but did not reseach that far.

ps am somewhat of a fanatic about identification of things automotive by VINs, model numbers and option codes, is really fascinating what you can find about certain combinations. Have been doing this since GM used 80 column cards for orders.
 

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