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Old Jun 19, 2014 | 10:07 AM
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Default L.E.D. headlight bulb conversion anyone done it?

Anyone replaced their bulbs with LED's yet? something like Igniters - LED Headlight Conversion Kit | PlasmaGlow I know the passenger bulbs are a little cramped in there and not sure about mounting the relay box for each bulb. Probley going to try it anyways just wanted to see if anyone has done it yet.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2014 | 10:12 AM
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3 things :
1. $$$$$ - $179 per pair is kinda steep.
2. Will it fit in the housing with that huge heat sink on back ?
3. Will there really be any cooling from the heat sink fan when it is sealed in the headlight housing ?
 
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Old Jun 19, 2014 | 12:23 PM
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CREE 48W 4400LM 5000K 9006 Car LED Headlight Kit Bulb Lamp 9005 5202 H7 H11 H8 | eBay
 
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Old Jun 19, 2014 | 12:26 PM
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Default Re: L.E.D headlight bulb conversion anyone done it?

Turbomar is in the midst of doing it now. Send him a pm and get the info you need.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2014 | 01:02 PM
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I've got a Morimoto H7 Elite HID kit in my low beams right now, and it's stupid bright. The LED options put out less lumen than HIDs do, so I kinda see this as a downgrade in terms of usable light output.

Plus, how in the hell is this design gonna fit the H7 housing for the bulb socket? You wouldn't even be able to seal the back of the headlights from water and stuff at that point lol. Doesn't look like it's as "plugNplay" as they claim it to be.
 

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Old Jun 20, 2014 | 02:06 PM
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I've got a Morimoto H7 Elite HID kit in my low beams right now, and it's stupid bright. The LED options put out less lumen than HIDs do, so I kinda see this as a downgrade in terms of usable light output.

Plus, how in the hell is this design gonna fit the H7 housing for the bulb socket? You wouldn't even be able to seal the back of the headlights from water and stuff at that point lol. Doesn't look like it's as "plugNplay" as they claim it to be.
I was thinking HID low beams with LED high beams if it was possible to fit this. trying to figure out why it needs the huge heat sink correct me if i'm wrong but shouldn't LED's put out less heat than the stock Halogen bulbs?
 
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Old Jun 20, 2014 | 02:52 PM
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Default Re: L.E.D headlight bulb conversion anyone done it?

That Cree LED will heat up quite a lot inside a headlight housing. There's no real ventilation there, that's why the sink is needed.
 
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Old Jun 20, 2014 | 03:00 PM
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They have tiny fans inside them also.
 
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Old Jun 20, 2014 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Adrian_X
That Cree LED will heat up quite a lot inside a headlight housing. There's no real ventilation there, that's why the sink is needed.
24 watts per side. I found the actual dimensions somewhere and they do fit inside the rubber caps.

Why would they cook hotter than 55W halogens?

And it looks like the driver assembly is external to the housing, like an HID kit.
 
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Old Jun 20, 2014 | 03:51 PM
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24 watts per side. I found the actual dimensions somewhere and they do fit inside the rubber caps.

Why would they cook hotter than 55W halogens?

And it looks like the driver assembly is external to the housing, like an HID kit.
CREE stands for Creatures Reside Entirely Encapsulated. You gotta have the fan cause if the LED hive gets too hot, the encapsulation breaks down and the Creatures escape.
Eventually the LED turns into a NED ( Non Emitting Diode )
 
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Old Jun 20, 2014 | 04:16 PM
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Yeah heat breaks down LEDs pretty fast.
 
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Old Jun 20, 2014 | 04:28 PM
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The LED CREE H7 double sided cells along with the heatsink/fan does fit inside the headlight assy. with rubber cover put back in place. Dexterity and patience is required to pass the LED power cable thru the bulb retaining wire before it can finally be secured in place. Small long noze plyers or tweezers will help accomplishing this. People doing this mod will know what I mean. To avail extra room, I unbolted the coolant reservoir and moved it to the side. Because the LED cells emit light on top and bottom only, the light emitted is somewhat less efficient in a projector like what is used in the Crossfire, than in a conventional lens
 
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Old Jun 20, 2014 | 05:20 PM
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Hence why I just use HIDs, better light, better design, and efficient still.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2014 | 08:01 AM
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There are pros and cons in both light sources IMO.

The weakest link with HID,s lies with the ballast which is more likely to fail than the bulb itself.
The odd time a misfire will result in the bulb not coming on at all.
HID's are not recommended for Highbeam use as the light initially emitted tends to flicker and be dimmer until the gas has warmed up.

In my case, the LEDs were an improvement over the 8000k HID's. While bench testing, the LED's were definitely emitting a brighter light.(wear welding goggles). The next brighter light source has to be from a plasma torch!

As for longetivity, that remains to be seen
 
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Old Jun 21, 2014 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ala_xfire
CREE stands for Creatures Reside Entirely Encapsulated. You gotta have the fan cause if the LED hive gets too hot, the encapsulation breaks down and the Creatures escape.
Eventually the LED turns into a NED ( Non Emitting Diode )
G.,

I'm well aware...
 
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Old Jun 21, 2014 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by turbomar
There are pros and cons in both light sources IMO.

The weakest link with HID,s lies with the ballast which is more likely to fail than the bulb itself.
The odd time a misfire will result in the bulb not coming on at all.
HID's are not recommended for Highbeam use as the light initially emitted tends to flicker and be dimmer until the gas has warmed up.

In my case, the LEDs were an improvement over the 8000k HID's. While bench testing, the LED's were definitely emitting a brighter light.(wear welding goggles). The next brighter light source has to be from a plasma torch!

As for longetivity, that remains to be seen
Since you have them installed in your "High Beam" positions, would you be so kind as to take a comparitive photograph for the ...wait for it..."enlightenment" of us all?

It would be very, very...wait for it, "cool" if you had a regular H7 halogen in one of the lamps.

If you had nothing better to do on a Saturday afternoon...

Please?
 
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Old Jun 21, 2014 | 05:07 PM
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Default Re: L.E.D headlight bulb conversion anyone done it?

Yeah, takes some pics for us so we can compare because I kinda wanted to get LED headlight kits as well for my high beams.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2014 | 07:04 PM
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Default Re: L.E.D headlight bulb conversion anyone done it?

As suggested, I was going to make you guys wait for it but then I got bored!
 
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Old Jun 21, 2014 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by turbomar
As suggested, I was going to make you guys wait for it but then I got bored!
How do they compare to the 35W OEM bulbs?
I do not think staring at a light is a good measure of its brightness 50 yards out in front of the car would be a better test.
Whiteness is not brightness.

 

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Old Jun 21, 2014 | 10:37 PM
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Hey Dave!

Whiteness is not brightness indeed. They are so white with a narrower spectrum that darker things on the road don't show up as well. The same goes with my choice of trouble light. An incandescent bulb shows contrasting parts under the hood better than an LED trouble light. I do plan on keeping the OE H7 highbeam bulbs to keep a broader light spectrum.

This said, I would say that some people won't like them while others will. It's too early to give my final verdict as I haven't done much night driving with them as of yet
 

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