lack of power
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Re: lack of power
Originally Posted by jpristel
1971 was also 32 years before the crossfire was produced, 26 years before the first SLK was put into production... Keeping in mind it only took 8 years to land a man on the moon... this was definitely "one SMALL step" for Mercedes.
I should have also posted the h.p. ratings of comparably sized 6 cyl. engines of the same era that only produced 1/2 and even 1/3 the power of the XF.
If you think it's disappointing that Mercedes Benz hasn't made even greater advancements in engine technology in the last 32 years, maybe you can enlighten us on any other propulsion methods that have done better during that same time period.
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Re: lack of power
Amen, +fireamx! I'm getting sick and tired of listening to people whine about the car being underpowered. The Crossfire has plenty of power to do the job it was designed to do, which is be a sporty touring car. It is not now and never will be a hard-core sportscar. If you bought one thinking it was such, I feel sorry for you.
They way I see it you have three options:
1. Buy aftermarket parts to increase the HP to your liking. Don't whine about the price of said parts. Nobody's obligated to make cheap go-fast bits for you.
2. Sell your Crossfire and buy a more hard-core sportscar (SRT-6, 'Vette, Porsche, etc) or a Pony car (Mustang, Camaro, Trans-Am, etc). Don't whine about how much money you're going to lose on the trade. Nobody cares.
3. Stop whining and enjoy the car for what it is.
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They way I see it you have three options:
1. Buy aftermarket parts to increase the HP to your liking. Don't whine about the price of said parts. Nobody's obligated to make cheap go-fast bits for you.
2. Sell your Crossfire and buy a more hard-core sportscar (SRT-6, 'Vette, Porsche, etc) or a Pony car (Mustang, Camaro, Trans-Am, etc). Don't whine about how much money you're going to lose on the trade. Nobody cares.
3. Stop whining and enjoy the car for what it is.
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Re: lack of power
Originally Posted by +fireamx
The reason for my post was to show that it once took a V8 engine twice the size of the Crossfire's 3.2-V6 to attain the same h.p.
I should have also posted the h.p. ratings of comparably sized 6 cyl. engines of the same era that only produced 1/2 and even 1/3 the power of the XF.
If you think it's disappointing that Mercedes Benz hasn't made even greater advancements in engine technology in the last 32 years, maybe you can enlighten us on any other propulsion methods that have done better during that same time period.
I should have also posted the h.p. ratings of comparably sized 6 cyl. engines of the same era that only produced 1/2 and even 1/3 the power of the XF.
If you think it's disappointing that Mercedes Benz hasn't made even greater advancements in engine technology in the last 32 years, maybe you can enlighten us on any other propulsion methods that have done better during that same time period.
2001 MB 3.2l ........................ 215 HP
2001 BMW 3.2l ..................... 240 HP
2001 Porsche 3.2l ................. 250 HP
2001 Dodge 3.2l ................... 225 HP
2001 Acura 3.2l .................... 225 HP
2001 Acura 3.2l (NSX)............ 290 HP
2001 Chrysler 3.2l.................. 222 HP
2001 Opel 3.2l...................... 232 HP
Still putting us in dead last... for cars...
But, if we ignore the fact that we drive sports cars... Our engines put our more horsepower than a 2001 Isuzu Rodeo!
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Re: lack of power
Originally Posted by jpristel
2001 MB 3.2l ........................ 215 HP
2001 BMW 3.2l ..................... 240 HP
2001 Porsche 3.2l ................. 250 HP
2001 Dodge 3.2l ................... 225 HP
2001 Acura 3.2l .................... 225 HP
2001 Acura 3.2l (NSX)............ 290 HP
2001 Chrysler 3.2l.................. 222 HP
2001 Opel 3.2l...................... 232 HP
Still putting us in dead last... for cars...
But, if we ignore the fact that we drive sports cars... Our engines put our more horsepower than a 2001 Isuzu Rodeo!
2001 BMW 3.2l ..................... 240 HP
2001 Porsche 3.2l ................. 250 HP
2001 Dodge 3.2l ................... 225 HP
2001 Acura 3.2l .................... 225 HP
2001 Acura 3.2l (NSX)............ 290 HP
2001 Chrysler 3.2l.................. 222 HP
2001 Opel 3.2l...................... 232 HP
Still putting us in dead last... for cars...
But, if we ignore the fact that we drive sports cars... Our engines put our more horsepower than a 2001 Isuzu Rodeo!
If it's any consolation, the motor we wound up with is a smooth, dependable, and torquey little piece that's been well proven in thousands of Mercedes vehicles world wide.
On top of that, it's built stout enough to withstand being supercharged with no special (internal) considerations. So I figure that would make the "normally aspirated" versions "over built" and more than capable of handling any abuse most Crossfire owners would ever throw at it.
Would I like to have more power? Of course, who wouldn't? Do I think it needs more power? (Speaking only for myself) the answer is no. And I would say that even if I didn't own two other cars that are faster than my Crossfire.
By the way, I thought your line, "one small step for Mercedes" was pretty good.
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Re: lack of power
Whenever I'm down and need a quick pic me up I jump in the Crossfire and floor it! I think it has plenty of power. I like this car better than a 1971 350 4 spd. Corvette and a 1985 350 auto Corvette that I owned.
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Re: lack of power
I'm in the "Bone Stock and Loving It" camp.
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Re: lack of power
People can say whatever they want...that's what makes this forum so great... Personally, When the owner of a 80's corvette that I'd been racing on I-75 last weekend (and beat by the way) pulled in behind me at the gas station and asked what was in it. I got a big ol' grin when his jaw dropped when he found out he just got his *** handed to him by a v6! He didn't believe a 6 cylinder could go faster than 145 mph and made me prove it to him!!! (he actually tried counting the spark plugs!) Before I get angry mail saying I'm dangerous let me say it was in northern michigan where you can see down a straight e-way for miles and miles!! By the way, when they say x-fires are good for 155...believe me...they are good for at least 163 mph. (my buddy's a state trooper and clocked me on laser!) 
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Re: lack of power
Originally Posted by jpristel
I was just being a smart-a** and I was incorrect. The 3.2 liter engine was released in 2001, not in the 90's. However doing a quick google for 6 cylinder engines, tuned for cars, made in 2001, having a displacement listed as 3.2 liters:
2001 MB 3.2l ........................ 215 HP
2001 BMW 3.2l ..................... 240 HP
2001 Porsche 3.2l ................. 250 HP
2001 Dodge 3.2l ................... 225 HP
2001 Acura 3.2l .................... 225 HP
2001 Acura 3.2l (NSX)............ 290 HP
2001 Chrysler 3.2l.................. 222 HP
2001 Opel 3.2l...................... 232 HP
Still putting us in dead last... for cars...
But, if we ignore the fact that we drive sports cars... Our engines put our more horsepower than a 2001 Isuzu Rodeo!
2001 MB 3.2l ........................ 215 HP
2001 BMW 3.2l ..................... 240 HP
2001 Porsche 3.2l ................. 250 HP
2001 Dodge 3.2l ................... 225 HP
2001 Acura 3.2l .................... 225 HP
2001 Acura 3.2l (NSX)............ 290 HP
2001 Chrysler 3.2l.................. 222 HP
2001 Opel 3.2l...................... 232 HP
Still putting us in dead last... for cars...
But, if we ignore the fact that we drive sports cars... Our engines put our more horsepower than a 2001 Isuzu Rodeo!
Also I suggest you take a look at the power band graphs if possible, I bet we're in the top 4 when it comes to putting power to the ground at lower rpms, who gives a **** about how much HP you make at 7,000 rpm, no one revs that high. Its all about spitting out the torque and shifting quick. Also you cant for get about the cars weights. what are those numbers?
Engines get detuned for insurance reasons to keep the power to weight safe for the street. I'm sure there have been some hairy NA 3.2L benz motors built up in the past.
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Re: lack of power
Originally Posted by Maxwell
Anychance you can compare torque numbers?
Also I suggest you take a look at the power band graphs if possible, I bet we're in the top 4 when it comes to putting power to the ground at lower rpms, who gives a **** about how much HP you make at 7,000 rpm, no one revs that high. Its all about spitting out the torque and shifting quick. Also you cant for get about the cars weights. what are those numbers?
Engines get detuned for insurance reasons to keep the power to weight safe for the street. I'm sure there have been some hairy NA 3.2L benz motors built up in the past.
Also I suggest you take a look at the power band graphs if possible, I bet we're in the top 4 when it comes to putting power to the ground at lower rpms, who gives a **** about how much HP you make at 7,000 rpm, no one revs that high. Its all about spitting out the torque and shifting quick. Also you cant for get about the cars weights. what are those numbers?
Engines get detuned for insurance reasons to keep the power to weight safe for the street. I'm sure there have been some hairy NA 3.2L benz motors built up in the past.
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Re: lack of power
Originally Posted by HDDP
You're starting to get under my skin MAX... just an FYI... Your posts are starting to sound like a blow-hard... Perhaps you should do some modifications on your own car, report the results and provide the photos, data, etc... This might be more educational to the other forum members...
Given the completely obnoxious behaviors exhibited by some members in the past (hopefully very ex members now), one forum member even stole money from myself and others (who knows how much) to get a dyno done (now that was not harmless).
I personally feel this forum would be a much worse place if members (who have as yet not ruined their crossfires) are discouraged from posting their ideas and thoughts. What do you want, a forum that only describes and discusses completed projects (we could have a section called "Good Job this is not my daily driver").
Note: I am not sure what a "blow-hard" is? Is this something good ?
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Re: lack of power
A "Blowhard" is not a derogatory term per se... Unlike the like the term "Limey", which derived it's origins from the Royal Navy and then became a term that was considered derogatory...
I kinda like giving some of the members a "goose" every once in a while when they repeatedly make posts that appear to be condescending and blowhard-ish, know-it-all-ish...
IMHO that is part of the process, to moderate posts that are mis-information or antagonistic...
If you disagree, perhaps you should take a look at all of his posts and determine if there is anything useful aside from a diatribe or counter point...
If I offended anyone, I sincerely apologize...
I kinda like giving some of the members a "goose" every once in a while when they repeatedly make posts that appear to be condescending and blowhard-ish, know-it-all-ish...
IMHO that is part of the process, to moderate posts that are mis-information or antagonistic...
If you disagree, perhaps you should take a look at all of his posts and determine if there is anything useful aside from a diatribe or counter point...
If I offended anyone, I sincerely apologize...
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Re: lack of power
Originally Posted by HDDP
A "Blowhard" is not a derogatory term per se... Unlike the like the term "Limey", which derived it's origins from the Royal Navy and then became a term that was considered derogatory...
I kinda like giving some of the members a "goose" every once in a while when they repeatedly make posts that appear to be condescending and blowhard-ish, know-it-all-ish...
IMHO that is part of the process, to moderate posts that are mis-information or antagonistic...
If you disagree, perhaps you should take a look at all of his posts and determine if there is anything useful aside from a diatribe or counter point...
If I offended anyone, I sincerely apologize...
I kinda like giving some of the members a "goose" every once in a while when they repeatedly make posts that appear to be condescending and blowhard-ish, know-it-all-ish...
IMHO that is part of the process, to moderate posts that are mis-information or antagonistic...
If you disagree, perhaps you should take a look at all of his posts and determine if there is anything useful aside from a diatribe or counter point...
If I offended anyone, I sincerely apologize...
What's a matter Derek are you not getting enough attention from everyone here that you feel the need for a childish outburst, your lame dude!
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Re: lack of power
Originally Posted by Maxwell
Hahaha, yeah right. Which part was mis-informative so that we can correct the problem instead of reverting to insults. I expect this BS from the teenage ricer crowd, not a professional forum moderator. What's a matter Derek are you not getting enough attention from everyone here that you feel the need for a childish outburst, your lame dude!
What's a matter Derek are you not getting enough attention from everyone here that you feel the need for a childish outburst, your lame dude!I have taken Derek's advice and reviewed your previous posts and have concluded that derek does have a point... I particularly found your comments on the sprint booster to be complete bollox... I now somewhat regret my post in your defense. However, I still think that a moderator should only offer personal criticism when a complaint has been received (via PM) by other members.
I suggest we let this thread tangent die now.
Cheers.
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Re: lack of power
Originally Posted by intenseblu
i must say when i first got my crossfire i had this idea that it was lacking in power (6 spd base) but over the past few days i've driven it on a daily basis and i am not sure if i am getting old or something but it boogies just enough ... especially when you hold it at 4k rpm and then punch the throttle it rips rather nice ... and it is a relief that no matter what rpm you are at right before you punch it, it is rather silent and then the tone changes when you open the throttle all the way ...
in a way, i am more hesitant to modify this car than ever ... the intake sound is tuned so well (as i assume is the cfm it flows) and so is the exhaust sound ... i doubt i could ever do any better !
this leaves me with the idea that i must leave it alone, just keep making it look nicer and leave my '95 neon for modification (2.4 turbo, 8 injectors) ...
i just wanted to share that with you guys cause its a breakthrough for me, cause i could never leave anything stock ... but damn i just don't think i can top the factory this time...
in a way, i am more hesitant to modify this car than ever ... the intake sound is tuned so well (as i assume is the cfm it flows) and so is the exhaust sound ... i doubt i could ever do any better !
this leaves me with the idea that i must leave it alone, just keep making it look nicer and leave my '95 neon for modification (2.4 turbo, 8 injectors) ...
i just wanted to share that with you guys cause its a breakthrough for me, cause i could never leave anything stock ... but damn i just don't think i can top the factory this time...
Seems to me that I have been thrashed a couple of times for saying pretty much the same thing... These are pretty awesome machines right out of the factory, bone stock!
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Re: lack of power
Like I've been saying for 2 years, this mentality of the stop light to stop light ****** is annoying. The Xfire is not slow by any stretch. Of course a hot rod V8 will kick its *** what did you expect.
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Re: lack of power
Originally Posted by polywave
I like the idea of comparing HP/WT ratios.
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Re: lack of power
We need to remember the other number too. Torque. Car Makers like to sell the horsepower number because people can relate to that. My brides 300C has the 5.7 Hemi. Good horsepower (345?) number but not so good torque. The thing still has lots of power and fun to drive. But my 1 ton Dodge diesel pickup has 325 horse power and 610 lbs of torque. It may not outrun the 300C but it does a good job of keeping up with it for a 7,800 pound 4 wheel drive vehicle. Torque is the magic number here. Gotta love it.
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Re: lack of power
Originally Posted by bollox
Maxwell: Derek is not a professional moderator. He gives his time and effort to this forum out of choice. I for one very much appreciate his time and efforts. IMHO without Derek this forum would be a much poorer place.
I have taken Derek's advice and reviewed your previous posts and have concluded that derek does have a point... I particularly found your comments on the sprint booster to be complete bollox... I now somewhat regret my post in your defense. However, I still think that a moderator should only offer personal criticism when a complaint has been received (via PM) by other members.
I suggest we let this thread tangent die now.
Cheers.
I have taken Derek's advice and reviewed your previous posts and have concluded that derek does have a point... I particularly found your comments on the sprint booster to be complete bollox... I now somewhat regret my post in your defense. However, I still think that a moderator should only offer personal criticism when a complaint has been received (via PM) by other members.
I suggest we let this thread tangent die now.
Cheers.
