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Old Nov 20, 2010 | 08:12 PM
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These pictures were taken this past summer after giving the two cars a good cleaning.
My dad is yet to admit the X-fire is in fact the supreme vehicle of the two, but the number of times he asks to borrow my keys should suffice as a clear Crossfire victory.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/50269878@N06/5193220245/
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Old Nov 20, 2010 | 08:43 PM
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Nice pair. I rented a 2010 Sebring last month on a business trip. Hated it for the first day...didn't want to give it back at the end of the week.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2010 | 09:12 PM
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Nice pair. I rented a 2010 Sebring last month on a business trip. Hated it for the first day...didn't want to give it back at the end of the week.
Yeah, I can't stand his... way too many hard plastics, and severely underpowered with the 2.7 v6.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2010 | 09:47 PM
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This is like a twisted version of "Cat's In The Cradle"....

What I'd really like Son, is to borrow the car keys.
See ya later, can I have them please?
 
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 06:13 AM
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Did you just get the crossfire? I noticed that it still has the dealer plates on it.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 12:10 PM
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This is sacrilege...comparing the Sebring to the Crossfire..... it's bad enough that they made the front end look like a Crossfire....
 
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeR
This is sacrilege...comparing the Sebring to the Crossfire..... it's bad enough that they made the front end look like a Crossfire....
I couldn't agree more Mike. At first i thought was a nice tribute to the design of the XF, but a tribute should be a compliment in presentation, none of the chrylsers wearing our hood design have risen to the challenge.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by VIPER0076
Did you just get the crossfire? I noticed that it still has the dealer plates on it.
I have had it since may... at the time of this pictures it was recently purchased
 
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeR
This is sacrilege...comparing the Sebring to the Crossfire..... it's bad enough that they made the front end look like a Crossfire....
Who's comparing?
 
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 10:00 PM
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Take your dad on a twisty route and let him drive the Sebring. He won't be able to keep up with you.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 04:36 PM
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Wow, your dad is not a car guy if A) he proudly owns a sebring B) thinks it's better than a crossfire. Unless your dad is one of those diehard, 'mericun carz rule, type of guy. And that's just as bad.


I'd love to know why your dad thinks the sebring is better than the crossfire. Heck, a Solara is better than a sebring!
 
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 05:15 PM
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No love for the Sebring eh? Have any of you haters ever driven one?

If I had a dollar for every time I mistakenly thought a distant oncoming Sebring was a Crossfire I'd have enough for a second Crossfire. I guess that's where the hate comes in...Chrysler haters, embarrassed by the badges on their XF's. No wonder so many on this board change the logos. If I wanted a Mercedes...I would have bought a Mercedes. Very strange.

FYI...the Sebring is no more. Chrysler has changed it's name to the '200', popped the 283hp (yes, not a typo) Pentastar V6 into it, gave it a fresh interior and exterior.

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The hot new 2010-2013 Chrysler 200 cars
 
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by oyster_gold
If I had a dollar for every time I mistakenly thought a distant oncoming Sebring was a Crossfire I'd have enough for a second Crossfire. I guess that's where the hate comes in...Chrysler haters, embarrassed by the badges on their XF's. No wonder so many on this board change the logos. If I wanted a Mercedes...I would have bought a Mercedes. Very strange.
The only current chrysler worth anything is the 300. Everything else is terribly outdated. If you like the sebring, I wonder why you like the crossfire? Now the Dodge cars are a bit more interesting, especially the 2011 models. For myself, I definitely appreciate the mercedes DNA in the crossfire and to be honest, that's the only reason I bought one. It looks great, but other than the 300, chrysler hasn't offered anything remotely interesting for the last 20 yrs+ years. I'm not embarrassed by the logo, but I also know that it's nothing to brag about either. The crossfire was an awesome idea and one that should have marked the beginning of the upward climb of chrysler, like the CTS is for Cadillac. Instead it was simply an anomaly in the chrysler lineup. There's no way you can tell me the Sebring drives as well as the camry/accord or even the new sonata.

FYI...the Sebring is no more. Chrysler has changed it's name to the '200', popped the 283hp (yes, not a typo) Pentastar V6 into it, gave it a fresh interior and exterior.

Check it...

The hot new 2010-2013 Chrysler 200 cars
C'mon man! If you are proud of the production version of the 200, I'm confused as to why you own a crossfire. It's VERY clear the chrysler/Fiat ran out of money with the 200. The 200 is a HUGE disappointment compared to what was promised with the concept version. I wouldn't touch the current 200 with a 10 foot pole even with 283 hp. If Chrysler followed through with the production version of the 200 to look far more like the concept, then I would be very impressed. I mean the Crossfire doesn't look all that different (on the outside at least) than the concept and in fact, I like the production version better.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 06:52 PM
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The only current chrysler worth anything is the 300. Everything else is terribly outdated. If you like the sebring, I wonder why you like the crossfire? Now the Dodge cars are a bit more interesting, especially the 2011 models. For myself, I definitely appreciate the mercedes DNA in the crossfire and to be honest, that's the only reason I bought one. It looks great, but other than the 300, chrysler hasn't offered anything remotely interesting for the last 20 yrs+ years. I'm not embarrassed by the logo, but I also know that it's nothing to brag about either. The crossfire was an awesome idea and one that should have marked the beginning of the upward climb of chrysler, like the CTS is for Cadillac. Instead it was simply an anomaly in the chrysler lineup. There's no way you can tell me the Sebring drives as well as the camry/accord or even the new sonata.

C'mon man! If you are proud of the production version of the 200, I'm confused as to why you own a crossfire. It's VERY clear the chrysler/Fiat ran out of money with the 200. The 200 is a HUGE disappointment compared to what was promised with the concept version. I wouldn't touch the current 200 with a 10 foot pole even with 283 hp. If Chrysler followed through with the production version of the 200 to look far more like the concept, then I would be very impressed. I mean the Crossfire doesn't look all that different (on the outside at least) than the concept and in fact, I like the production version better.
LOL. Where to begin! First, I don't care if you like/hate/despise a Sebring. I don't work for Chrysler, or sell their products. I've owned dozens of them however and will probably own many more in the future. You, I suspect have never owned any other than a XF and based on your comments and attitude probably will never consider one again. You're the perfect example of someone who should have bought a Mercedes instead of a Mercedes powered Chrysler. I do take exception to people who drive Crossfires and continually demean the company that designed and sold the car! You never mentioned if you have actually driven a Sebring. I'm going to bet that you haven't. No biggy...but you certainty have a jaded opinion about the lineup, even the new version without it even being produced yet!! LOL!!!!!

Daimler never had a clear vision of what to do with Chrysler, they ran the company into the ground and were paranoid that any Chrysler product would over shadow or out sell their Mercedes line. Why do you think the Crossfire got a 6 year old platform in the R170!! LOL!!

Already we are seeing a tremendous improvement in fit and finish, design and build quality since the merge with Fiat, with the 2011 lineup. Sergio Marchionne (head of Fiat group) has been incredibly supportive of the brand and if the rumors are to be believed, really good stuff is coming.

Yes, I would most deffinlty put a nicely loaded Sebring up against a god aweful Camry!! I also reneted a 2010 Accord last month for a business trip and couldn't wait to get out of that POS. Seriously. Nice steering, nice V6, horrible ergonomics, horrible seats and typical Honda uninspired design (Toyota also), but unlike you, I actually drive the cars I review. I can give a long list of things I didn't like about the 2010 Sebring too.

I'm probably one of the few Crossfire owners (for some strange reason) that dislikes the fact it's built on a 12 year old Mercedes platform. I would have much preferred the Chrysler 3.5. It would have been less expensive to build, easier to modify, less expensive and easier to maintain. I guess there's that resale thing, but considering your 2008 XF with its $32K sticker price is worth about $13K today...I guess that's out the window too.

Oh, and there wasn't any 200 concept car that I 've ever seen. There was a concept car for a 200C...which looks almost identical to the 2011 Sebring but was a full electric car.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 11:30 PM
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Wow, your dad is not a car guy if A) he proudly owns a sebring B) thinks it's better than a crossfire. Unless your dad is one of those diehard, 'mericun carz rule, type of guy. And that's just as bad.


I'd love to know why your dad thinks the sebring is better than the crossfire. Heck, a Solara is better than a sebring!
No where in my original post do I state that my dad thinks his Sebring is better than the Crossfire. If anything I am poking fun at the fact that he asks to see my (his 18 year old son) keys more frequently than I want his. Actually now that I think about I haven't driven his car a single time since my purchase of the Crossfire back in May.
It just so happened that we both decided to clean up our rides that weekend and I thought it would be cool to take few photos of the cars side by because of the similar exterior styling.

... I just don't feel like it is necessary for me to have justify his purchasing of car. Obviously it satisfied his taste at the time and thats the end of the story.
 
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 09:35 AM
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I don't work for Chrysler, or sell their products. I've owned dozens of them however and will probably own many more in the future. You, I suspect have never owned any other than a XF and based on your comments and attitude probably will never consider one again. You're the perfect example of someone who should have bought a Mercedes instead of a Mercedes powered Chrysler. I do take exception to people who drive Crossfires and continually demean the company that designed and sold the car! You never mentioned if you have actually driven a Sebring. I'm going to bet that you haven't. No biggy...but you certainty have a jaded opinion about the lineup, even the new version without it even being produced yet!! LOL!!!!!
You are actually are somewhat incorrect with your assumption that I wouldn't buy another Chrysler. That's not true. I would buy any car I found appealling. I'd LOVE to have a CTS-V coupe for example. And if it wasn't for the fact that the 300 SRT8 only came with an automatic, I'd consider one of those for sure if I was looking for a beastly sedan. I would also buy Ram pickup over any other fullsize pickup.

Secondly, why would I want to buy a Mercedes? The best part of the XF is that it is badged a Chrysler. I bought mine brand new for a price that I would never be able to buy a mercedes-badged product for and I have a limited lifetime warranty, which would also never be found on a M-B product. I don't demean the company at all--I demean the product. The Chrysler CORPORATION has some fantastic products. The sebring is certainly not one of them. Chevy also has some awesome products, but the Impala (for example) is definitely not one of them. I can only surmise by what you wrote and the way you wrote it that, to use a popular internet term, you are a chrysler fanboy. If you can't see that every manufacturer has products that are good and some that aren't then you are very much disillusioned. I bought the XF because Chrysler was a bit daring with it, I liked the looks, and it was a good price. If I can afford to reward what I consider as unique, I will. And with the XF, I did. However, the sebring is a whole other animal.

Daimler never had a clear vision of what to do with Chrysler, they ran the company into the ground and were paranoid that any Chrysler product would over shadow or out sell their Mercedes line. Why do you think the Crossfire got a 6 year old platform in the R170!! LOL!!
I don't at all doubt any of this. I know it's true. However, another additional factor that you are missing is cost. It costs far less to tool up using parts that are readily available than to use newer, more expensive pieces. IMO, the crossfire would have been absolutely perfect if it used the 3.5L MB V6 and the rack-in-pinion steering setup of the newer MB products.

Already we are seeing a tremendous improvement in fit and finish, design and build quality since the merge with Fiat, with the 2011 lineup. Sergio Marchionne (head of Fiat group) has been incredibly supportive of the brand and if the rumors are to be believed, really good stuff is coming.
I also agree with this. The Jeep GC is fantastic looking, both inside and out. I just wished they would re-introduce a diesel into the vehicle. But I'd probably be the only one who would buy it.

I'm probably one of the few Crossfire owners (for some strange reason) that dislikes the fact it's built on a 12 year old Mercedes platform. I would have much preferred the Chrysler 3.5. It would have been less expensive to build, easier to modify, less expensive and easier to maintain. I guess there's that resale thing, but considering your 2008 XF with its $32K sticker price is worth about $13K today...I guess that's out the window too.
The only problem with using the old platform is the exlcusion of newer technology. Where is my adjustable intermittant wipers for example? I have programmable intermittant wipers on my 1994 VW! I also don;t care much for the 3.2L in the crossfire. It is very harsh, especially for a meredes product. Having said all of that, it is my firm belief that at the current time a mediocre (outdated in this case) mercedes is better than an outdated/mediocre chrysler product. You can't really argue that the standards for a MB-badged product aren't higher than your typical chrysler corporation product. If Chrysler took the same general approach to their cars like they do the flagship Viper, things may be different (including price!).

Oh, and there wasn't any 200 concept car that I 've ever seen. There was a concept car for a 200C...which looks almost identical to the 2011 Sebring but was a full electric car.
Seriously? That's your arguement? So a 300 and 300c are different cars? Give me a break. The 200c concept was deemed to be the replacement for the sebring from the very beginning. There were several threads on this topic in the now defunct Chrysler owners forum and we were told that the production 200 would look very similar to the concept. The bottom line here is that a warmed over sebring, now badged 200 (similar to say a chevy cavalier and chevy cobalt), is nothing like the concept. Have you not seen the profile picture on the site you linked us to? You can't mistake that for anything other than a sebring. Give me a 2011 Kia Optima 2.0t any and all day over the 200 with the 280ish hp v6. Chrysler needs to do better here. But I also understand that revamping an entire line of cars takes more money than most companies have at hand at any single time, so they need to take baby steps and focus their money on sectors that have the biggest profit potential first. So I am cautiously optimistic that chrysler products will continue in an upward manner--however, the slope of that upward line isn't as steep as I'd like.
 
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 09:37 AM
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No where in my original post do I state that my dad thinks his Sebring is better than the Crossfire.
When you say that your dad hasn't yet admitted that your crossfire is superior to the sebring, that says it all! Go back and read what you wrote.
 
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 10:01 AM
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*snip*The 200 is a HUGE disappointment compared to what was promised with the concept version.*snip*
No argument. You are the one that mentioned the 200 concept car, I was simply saying I wasn't familiar with a 200 concept car other than the 200C that was a FULL electric car. The production 200 was not derived from the 200C electric car from what I've read about it, although they do look similar.

Great post blackbelt_010892. Just because You're dad likes his Sebring better than your Crossfire (My dad would too BTW) doesn't mean he thinks it is technically a superior car. I understood the context, but I have fantastic reading comprehension...unlike others, but then again at times it's hard to seperate those with developmental issues with those that are embarrassed to drive Chryslers. I like your pics and thanks for posting them!
 
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When you say that your dad hasn't yet admitted that your crossfire is superior to the sebring, that says it all! Go back and read what you wrote.

What I was going for is that he wont openly admit his jealously... that statement was purely sarcasm
 
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What I was going for is that he wont openly admit his jealously... that statement was purely sarcasm
Ahhh...gotcha! You should get your dad a crossfire for fathers day (or the upcoming holidays). A crossfire model that is!
 
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