The Crossfire Salute
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From: Mesa, AZ
Originally Posted by David Burns
Isn't it also disputed that some Frenchie actually flew BEFORE the Wright brothers Kitty Hawk adventures???
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Originally Posted by David Burns
Isn't it also disputed that some Frenchie actually flew BEFORE the Wright brothers Kitty Hawk adventures???
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From: Manassas, VA
Originally Posted by jsisabella
But official residence was still OH
I had not heard that one.
Any info on it? It might be fun to read.
I had not heard that one.
Any info on it? It might be fun to read.
http://www.ythcal.de/worth/tec/e-powfly.html
Originally Posted by www
At dawn of August 14th, 1901 Gustave Whitehead
started his first flight with "No. 21" near Bridgeport. He flew a distance about 800 meters (1/2 miles).
The flight was documented by a reporter of the "Bridgeport Sunday Herald"; unfortunately there is no photo showing "No. 21" in the air, so many doubt its flight.
The flight of "No. 21" is controversial. While for some people there is no doubt, others are critical because of fragmentary proofs and missing photos. The "Wright Brothers Aeroplane Company" even imputes Whitehead to have published a science-fiction-story.
started his first flight with "No. 21" near Bridgeport. He flew a distance about 800 meters (1/2 miles).
The flight was documented by a reporter of the "Bridgeport Sunday Herald"; unfortunately there is no photo showing "No. 21" in the air, so many doubt its flight.
The flight of "No. 21" is controversial. While for some people there is no doubt, others are critical because of fragmentary proofs and missing photos. The "Wright Brothers Aeroplane Company" even imputes Whitehead to have published a science-fiction-story.
http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/pearse1.html
which actually has some merit.
Originally Posted by www
Popular history has it that the Wright Brothers at Kitty Hawk [in the United States] were the first to fly [a heavier-than-air craft], but this is not true! The first flight was by a twenty-five year old New Zealander, Richard Pearse on March 31, 1902. Pearse, (1877 - 1953), is not generally known for this wonderful feat as [until recently?] there has been very little publicity about it.
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Originally Posted by Heb80
Originally Posted by AZ Outlaws
Hey... there is always "low level flying" in a XF.
"I'm not driving fast, I'm flying low"
:wink:
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Not to be a spoil sport and mess us this thread about manned flight and such............................
BUT, I simply flash my high beams at the on coming XF!
Just pull the directional switch lever towards the steering wheel twice and sometimes follow with a wave, as well. :roll:
BUT, I simply flash my high beams at the on coming XF!
Just pull the directional switch lever towards the steering wheel twice and sometimes follow with a wave, as well. :roll:
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From: SoCal
Hi Redcross,
I thought that was the sign used to great an oncoming Alfa Romeo, when I am in mine.....does that mean I won't have to learn a whole new greeting ???? Cool.
As far as the flying discussion goes....that's about as hot an iron as you can get your hands on ;-) aside from maybe for or against W :lol:
There are many that claim to have done it first. A few are mentioned in this thread. What sets the wrights appart was their documentation not only on the historic day in NC.....but all the trials before that.
Fascinated with human flight they started by trying to work with what others had done before. My fellow countryman Otto Lilienthal comes to mind who was at the time the most advanced glider pilot.....turns out his wing design had major flaws wich the Wrights first copied...the curve of the airfoil primarily...and then later corrected.
They worked step by step through many setbacks....using a windtunnel of their own design to truely understand what it takes to fly...and they succeeded. So was there possibly another short hop of a powered apparatus before Dec 17th 1903...somewhere else in the world ??? Maybe...first flight could have easily taken place within a modern jetliners fuselage, a replica of their creation last year plopped in a puddle after having flown before because the weather gods, as many pilots will attest, are a cruel bunch.
But their overall approach to the challenge of human flight makes them worthy of their title.
And all that with a plane that still ended up being all backwards :-) Just don't tell Burt Rutan I said that.
I thought that was the sign used to great an oncoming Alfa Romeo, when I am in mine.....does that mean I won't have to learn a whole new greeting ???? Cool.
As far as the flying discussion goes....that's about as hot an iron as you can get your hands on ;-) aside from maybe for or against W :lol:
There are many that claim to have done it first. A few are mentioned in this thread. What sets the wrights appart was their documentation not only on the historic day in NC.....but all the trials before that.
Fascinated with human flight they started by trying to work with what others had done before. My fellow countryman Otto Lilienthal comes to mind who was at the time the most advanced glider pilot.....turns out his wing design had major flaws wich the Wrights first copied...the curve of the airfoil primarily...and then later corrected.
They worked step by step through many setbacks....using a windtunnel of their own design to truely understand what it takes to fly...and they succeeded. So was there possibly another short hop of a powered apparatus before Dec 17th 1903...somewhere else in the world ??? Maybe...first flight could have easily taken place within a modern jetliners fuselage, a replica of their creation last year plopped in a puddle after having flown before because the weather gods, as many pilots will attest, are a cruel bunch.
But their overall approach to the challenge of human flight makes them worthy of their title.
And all that with a plane that still ended up being all backwards :-) Just don't tell Burt Rutan I said that.
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From: Cincinnati, Ohio
[quote="David Burns"]
Hmmm...my bad, a GERMAN, not a French.
http://www.ythcal.de/worth/tec/e-powfly.html
Try this one instead....http://www.wam.umd.edu/~stwright/WrB...ilienthal.html 8)
Originally Posted by jsisabella
But official residence was still OH
I had not heard that one.
Any info on it? It might be fun to read.
I had not heard that one.
Any info on it? It might be fun to read.
http://www.ythcal.de/worth/tec/e-powfly.html
Originally Posted by www
At dawn of August 14th, 1901 Gustave Whitehead
started his first flight with "No. 21" near Bridgeport. He flew a distance about 800 meters (1/2 miles).
So who really knows.... :?: :?: :?:
started his first flight with "No. 21" near Bridgeport. He flew a distance about 800 meters (1/2 miles).
So who really knows.... :?: :?: :?:
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THE SALUTE REPLIES
LOL, it's great to read all these replies. I had no idea it was so popular. It is hard for me to find other Crossfires on the road next to me. Have yet to race one either. Keep up the ideas. 
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From: Lake Orion, MI
hey bobafett... i live in Lake orion, MI... we're damn neighbors. haha. i have a black 05 Xfire... fricken amazing car. We'll have to meet up sometime.
Talkin about the young drivers... im 16. gonna be 17 in April. I'd definately turn off my engine and turn on the standing lights if i saw you on the road. haha. Not quite.
Talkin about the young drivers... im 16. gonna be 17 in April. I'd definately turn off my engine and turn on the standing lights if i saw you on the road. haha. Not quite.
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From: Harrisburg PA
Originally Posted by DetroitMadeGTX
i've heard of clinton township, lake orion is about 15 mins north of pontiac. Right outside of auburn hills, and by the palace of auburn hills. ring any bells?
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From: Seattle
I encountered my first Crossfire on the streets of Seattle last evening. An SSB. I pulled up alongside and slightly ahead then waved and gave them a big smile.
They were shocked and horrified that someone was looking at them. Maybe they thought I was going to carjack them. (I was in my Crossfire BTW.) Maybe they didn't recognise what I was driving.
Oh, well.
They were shocked and horrified that someone was looking at them. Maybe they thought I was going to carjack them. (I was in my Crossfire BTW.) Maybe they didn't recognise what I was driving.
Oh, well.