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Jocko124 10-05-2018 08:12 PM

New SKREEM pricing make me want to Scream!!
 
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. What happened?

Mrmiata 10-06-2018 01:08 PM

Re: New SREEM pricing make me want to Scream!!
 
Go look at the price of a key now.. Mercedes has shafted us all..

ZERACER 10-06-2018 03:38 PM

Re: New SREEM pricing make me want to Scream!!
 
How much is a key now?

Mrmiata 10-06-2018 04:44 PM

Re: New SREEM pricing make me want to Scream!!
 

Originally Posted by ZERACER (Post 913247)
How much is a key now?


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onehundred80 10-06-2018 04:57 PM

Re: New SKREEM pricing make me want to Scream!!
 
What causes the key and SKREEM to be so expensive. G R E E D
Time to find a way of getting rid of the fob chip and the SKREEM.
Let’s face it the price to protect this diminishing asset of a car is rising faster than the value of the car is falling.
Is it possible someone has come down with a big hammer on NeedsWings?

bluecoupe 10-06-2018 05:21 PM

Re: New SREEM pricing make me want to Scream!!
 
Dave, any cars that I could afford have always been liabilities, I've never considered them assets.:)

ZERACER 10-06-2018 06:12 PM

Re: New SREEM pricing make me want to Scream!!
 
Yes but at what point can you no longer afford to drive them?

Larry Hitze 10-06-2018 11:00 PM

Re: New SREEM pricing make me want to Scream!!
 
As long as the manual part of the key works I'll live without the buttons if need be.

grip grip 10-06-2018 11:19 PM

Re: New SREEM pricing make me want to Scream!!
 
I was thinking about picking up a new project SRT6, but the updated pricing for the key and skreem have me a little apprehensive as I think one or both could be the problem. These cars may be getting a little too pricey for a poor guy to work on.

Padgett 10-07-2018 10:12 AM

Re: New SREEM pricing make me want to Scream!!
 
Does the valet key have a SKREEM chip ?

Mrmiata 10-07-2018 10:21 AM

Re: New SKREEM pricing make me want to Scream!!
 

Originally Posted by onehundred80 (Post 913256)
Is it possible someone has come down with a big hammer on NeedsWings?

The only reason I checked key prices.. was because a member on facebook mentioned just under a grand at the dealership for a key .. she was given a link to the website.. and wasn't able to navigate it.. so I went to provide a direct link to the key... It's Mercedes doing this..

onehundred80 10-07-2018 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Padgett (Post 913291)
Does the valet key have a SKREEM chip ?

I have never seen a valet key and I had a Crossfire from new.

onehundred80 10-07-2018 10:38 AM

Re: New SKREEM pricing make me want to Scream!!
 

Originally Posted by Mrmiata (Post 913292)
The only reason I checked key prices.. was because a member on facebook mentioned just under a grand at the dealership for a key .. she was given a link to the website.. and wasn't able to navigate it.. so I went to provide a direct link to the key... It's Mercedes doing this..

Surely there is a government branch that protects customers from having to pay such an exorbitant price for two parts that could exceed the value of the car and force it to be scrapped, adding to the pile of scrap metal and unrecyclable materials.
I am sure that the US government would love to haul a foreign carmaker over the coals, why not try and get The Donald involved? Add a few extra percentage points to the Mercedes tariffs. Get him to mention this in one of his rants and they will be keen to give us all cheap SKREEMs and keys.


turbomar 10-07-2018 11:01 AM

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One can easily conclude the price hike is Daimler's way of compensating for the Trump tarrifs. I'm curious to see if the prices have remained the same at my local Canadian Mercedes dealer

ZERACER 10-07-2018 01:43 PM

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I'm just curious about if any of these cars are ever stolen. If so, there must be someone out there that knows how to get around all of these electronics. I wonder if the insurance industry has and stats? Lets hire a car thief to show us how LOL.

Padgett 10-07-2018 02:44 PM

Re: New SREEM pricing make me want to Scream!!
 
Been studying a bit more and the SKREEM contains an RF transceiver and a microprocessor (with some memory I would think. Problem is we can't just remove it because it also controls the RKE and the power door locks.
And it is not a discrete signal, it is data blocks:
"Connected to the SKREEM is a Sentry Key Antenna Ring which surrounds the ignition lock cylinder. When the ignition is switched on, the Sentry Key Antenna Ring is supplied with power. A data block is transmitted inductively via the Sentry Key Antenna Ring to the SKREEM and then on to the Powertrain Control Module. If the antenna ring data block content is invalid or if vehicle battery power is too low to build up enough power for the antenna ring, the Powertrain Control Module will not receive the proper signal. This is displayed with the message “Start Error” in the Instrument Cluster
"

OK then what we need to reverse engineer and reprogram the SKREEM to just send the data block which means we need to figure out the data block. No Big and may be easier than reprogramming the ECM.

Further: "The SKREEM retains in memory the ID numbers of any ignition key transponder that is programmed into it. For added system security each SKREEM is programmed with a unique secret key code. This code is stored in memory, sent over the CAN data bus to the PCM, and is encoded to the transponder of every ignition key that is programmed into the SKREEM." So what is needed is to reprogram the SKREEM not to interrogate the kay and just send the code.

Thoughts ?


Mrmiata 10-07-2018 04:59 PM

Re: New SKREEM pricing make me want to Scream!!
 

Originally Posted by onehundred80 (Post 913294)

Surely there is a government branch that protects customers from having to pay such an exorbitant price for two parts that could exceed the value of the car and force it to be scrapped, adding to the pile of scrap metal and unrecyclable materials.
I am sure that the US government would love to haul a foreign carmaker over the coals, why not try and get The Donald involved? Add a few extra percentage points to the Mercedes tariffs. Get him to mention this in one of his rants and they will be keen to give us all cheap SKREEMs and keys.


Well.. Canada did see the light.. Germany might have to be next... PS.. Welcome to the USMCA

onehundred80 10-07-2018 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrmiata (Post 913313)
Well.. Canada did see the light.. Germany might have to be next... PS.. Welcome to the USMCA

Where did you see that, Fox news?

CROSSFIRERUSH 10-07-2018 09:20 PM

Re: New SREEM pricing make me want to Scream!!
 

Originally Posted by Padgett (Post 913305)
Been studying a bit more and the SKREEM contains an RF transceiver and a microprocessor (with some memory I would think. Problem is we can't just remove it because it also controls the RKE and the power door locks.
And it is not a discrete signal, it is data blocks:
"Connected to the SKREEM is a Sentry Key Antenna Ring which surrounds the ignition lock cylinder. When the ignition is switched on, the Sentry Key Antenna Ring is supplied with power. A data block is transmitted inductively via the Sentry Key Antenna Ring to the SKREEM and then on to the Powertrain Control Module. If the antenna ring data block content is invalid or if vehicle battery power is too low to build up enough power for the antenna ring, the Powertrain Control Module will not receive the proper signal. This is displayed with the message “Start Error” in the Instrument Cluster
"

OK then what we need to reverse engineer and reprogram the SKREEM to just send the data block which means we need to figure out the data block. No Big and may be easier than reprogramming the ECM.

Further: "The SKREEM retains in memory the ID numbers of any ignition key transponder that is programmed into it. For added system security each SKREEM is programmed with a unique secret key code. This code is stored in memory, sent over the CAN data bus to the PCM, and is encoded to the transponder of every ignition key that is programmed into the SKREEM." So what is needed is to reprogram the SKREEM not to interrogate the kay and just send the code.

Thoughts ?

I like your thinking Padgett. I'm sorry I'm unable to contribute to this project workaround. Definitely interested in and applaud your efforts as I'm sure ALL Crossfire owners will have their hats in their hands thanking you for your efforts on this. Okay, hoping other folks here that have Padgett's thought processes on the SKREEM and ignition ring will chime in.

Thanks Padgett!

Lurking!

Regards,



Mrmiata 10-07-2018 11:49 PM

Re: New SKREEM pricing make me want to Scream!!
 

Originally Posted by onehundred80 (Post 913314)
Where did you see that, Fox news?

Yep.. CNN doesn't want to admit HE made it happen.. PS.. google is your friend..

https://www.google.com/search?q=cana...eement&ie=&oe=


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