I'm talkin coupe limited, roadster, srt6.

Be sure to state clearly the model your giving reference to.

OK let me ask the question with four different questions.

1 - What cars will the Crossfire beat on a red light type run?
2 - What cars will beat the Crossfire on a red light type run?

3 - What cars will the Crossfire out run on the top end?
4 - What cars will out run the Crossfire on the top end?

Now we all know we can research the internet for specs, but specs don't hold up on the highway. If you know first hand of cars that cannot or can beat the crossfire in a heads up run or a top-end run please list it.

Please do not give "I think" or "I guess" type replies... just "SRT6 kills the Mustang 429 BOSS in a red light run" type replies, with commits.

 

Not to say the obvious but subjectively specs are more of an accurate indicator of the car's true performance since the skill level of who's behind the wheel is the most important factor in harnessing the most out of any particular vehicle. So, for example, while I have beat a few new GTO's and a new C6, I would be willing to bet if those cars were the hands of skilled drivers, they would have won..

question 3 and 4 are pretty clear cut though since the car is speed limited at, I believe 155. So any car that can't reach 155, I'll beat...and any car that can go over 155 will beat mine...

 

Actually, when you talk about beating a car top end, it doesn't mean "top speed" but instead which car will win in a higher gear pull. For example, I've stayed dead even with faster cars such as a modded WRX (VF34 turbo, supporting mods) from a stop until ~60 mph, then I got destroyed when we hit 3rd gear. The problem with the N/A crossfire is that the top end is severely lacking against most cars, especially FI ones. As another example, the STi that I was driving behind today makes 319 tq/286 hp at the wheels. His top end is ridiculous...he can downshift at 80-90 mph and hit 130-140 in the time that it takes me to hit 100 mph. In general, based on what I've seen at the track and the diverse group of cars in my club, the crossfire can hang with other "fast" cars, but it will usually lose in a straight line to anything else considered "fast".

 

I can tell you a Mini S can't keep up too well from 20 mph to 90 mph...but that's not saying much.

 

I can't give you examples (gave up street racing a long time ago when I had to start buying/maintaining my own vehicles instead of driving Dad's) but I would go by published specs and take it from there.

 

Why not look in a road test digest of any popular car mag, and compare 0-60 times, 1/4 mile times, etc to see how the car stacks up? It's quick, but so are a ton of other cars on the market. Some of them, like the Accord V6, are rather unsuspecting, yet it will show its tail lamps to many a good sports car. Ditto the Legacy GT, WRX, Altima 3.5L, etc. I would say simply that the Crossfire is "fast enough to be fun", and involving enough that you actually feel the sensation of speed. But, I think no one would debate me, if I were to say that the Crossfire is not any serious drag racer's first choice. Or second. Or third.

Just remember if you do this stuff on the street...nothing out runs a Motorola two way radio. When it costs a meager $35 to run in the brackets at the local strip, why not just make a Sunday of it in the summer?

 

Having gone from a Mustang GT to a Crossfire, I can compare just within my own world. The Mustang was faster - especially from 0-60. The Crossfire seems to have an edge over 60 for acceleration, but so what? If I wanted to drag race, I'd have gotten another 'stang. The Crossfire has way more "fun-factor" and that was what I was looking for this time around. I take highway ramps a lot faster in the Crossfire than I ever could in the Mustang - cornering is lots better...

 

Go to the "DRAGTIMES" website and compare... I'm not all that saavy on 1/4 miles...

 

I drove a slightly modded Grand Prix (GTP) before I bought my Crossfire, and my old GTP would've smoked my Crossfire. Although the handling sucked.

 

IT'S A LOT CHEAPER TO MAKE A FAST CAR HANDLE BETTER, THAN IT IS TO MAKE A SLOW CAR GO FASTER !!!

 

It is very hard to make a heavy, FWD, torque-steerin' beast with most of its weight over the front tires and the torsional rigidity of a wet noodle (Grand Prix) out handle a front engine, RWD car with nearly equal fore and aft weight distribution, proper suspension design, and a stiff (yet reasonably light) body (Crossfire). This same heaviness and uneven weight distribution affects not only the Grand Prix's handling, but braking. Sure, larger rotors and more powerful front calipers can be adapted, but the bias is always going to be uneven and the think will eat front pads. Front tires, too.

When you start with a heavy midsize GM barge and try to better the Crossfire's handling, I would say it's a pretty difficult undertaking. It's beyond financial consideration, and into the realm of completely re-engineering the fundamentals.

If a Crossfire owner and a Grand Prix owner both had ten grand to play with in upgrades (power upgrades only on the Crossfire, suspension upgrades only on the Grand Prix), my guess is that the Crossfire would still be a better car on the track after the wrenching was done.

 

Not to be insulting, but you do not know what you are talking about. You can not change the weight ratio of a car, The Crossfire is nearly 50 50. I would like to know how much it would cost to make a Mustang handle well enough to out handle an XFire. It would be cheaper to boost the XFires power!

 

As the only avid racer on this forum, I think HDDP knows a thing or two about making a car handle well. Perhaps better than anyone here on this forum.

I think his comment was well intentioned, but not entirely clear. Maybe he meant that it is a lot more expensive and difficult to make the Crossfire faster, than it is to make the Crossfire handle better. That's a comment I would buy any day. I think your (and my) mistake was to interpret this as the Pontiac vs. the Crossfire.

 

The Crossfire is not a speed machine. Even my Jeep is a lot faster (can't take the corners as well though).

 

LOL. Is it a Grand Cherokee SRT-8?

 

I would also like to know if your Jeep is a GC SRT-8, anyway at least you recognize the Jeep handling sux.