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crabrahut 07-13-2009 01:06 PM

Re: roadster rear window stick-up
 
Thanks fo the tips. I live in Tampa and have printed the info for posterity in case my '08 needs a new top. In the past Ernie's Auto Upholstery replaced a couple of tops on my '70 Cutlass, but the last one was too tight and ripped. I will keep Classic Auto at the top of my list.

Stevefromtyler 07-16-2009 11:21 PM

Re: roadster rear window stick-up
 

Originally Posted by tighed1
Wow! Must be summer time with all of these posts about glass coming out of the tops!
Found out that my glass was separating also. So far I have...
  • Moved my PRETTY 65 Chevelle SS out of the garage (sorry Baby) so I can put the Roadster in.
  • Bought a car cover so I can cover the car while it is outside at work.
  • Repaired the top with 3M Window-Weld (08609). So far so good!
We are in our monsoon season now so I will probably drive other cars until I am sure I will not get caught in the rain.

I am going to try this 3M stuff tomorrow. I picked it up today along with a headlight restoring kit. The headlight stuff was the bomb, and I have New looking lenses after only 30 minutes of work. Is your repair still holding up? I want to get the new top with the 350Z glass in the pocket, but my gosh, it is all so expensive!!

tighed1 07-17-2009 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Stevefromtyler
...I am going to try this 3M stuff tomorrow... Is your repair still holding up?...

Yep! Been three weeks so far. Looks like new! Top goes up and down everyday. Holding up GREAT!

Did a sort of How-To on this thread https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum/crossfire-roadster/35371-roadster-rear-window-problem.html#post396080

https://www.crossfireforum.org/galle...m/IMG_0739.JPG

https://www.crossfireforum.org/galle.../IMG_07382.JPG

Stevefromtyler 07-17-2009 01:29 PM

Re: roadster rear window stick-up
 

Originally Posted by tighed1

Just finished about an hour ago, and I was real thorough in the prep, and though the stuff is hard to keep from sticking to everything, managed to get it on all areas of window without a mess on the canvas or car. It does seem to be the ticket, and the nature of this stuff being somewhat flexible, makes it removable if another repair is necessary down the line. I will let everyone know if my repair is successful down the line. Thanks for the great post on this repair. STEVE T

tighed1 07-17-2009 08:51 PM

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Hey Steve,
Your repair looks EXACTLY like mine!
Good work! :rolleyes:

kschulze 07-19-2009 02:43 PM

Re: roadster rear window stick-up
 
Hey - I have an 05 roadster, garaged with the same mileage as you and my window peeled off the top last week; I've also been told that only the OEM has equipment to install the window and a whole new top will be required. If I don't find a better solution, I'm tempted to have a marine top manufacturer sew in a zipper with eisenglas in it; it's not like I use the defroster in the rear window much down here.
Kristin

Stevefromtyler 07-19-2009 06:22 PM

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My top has been tested since the repair, and lowering and raising didn't pull it loose. I am going to drive the G35 to work or use my truck this week, and won't be driving thru august due to shoulder tendon repair on Friday. I hope by the time I can shift gears that it isn't so hot, or I may just garage for the rest of the heat and use other vehicles. I think the design is crap, not having a pocket for the window to rest in is ignorant engineering, and I don't design tops!! The people that do should get it together, and that goes for all manufacturers. Some are OK, but this problem is just one of many that the auto industry dropped the ball on. I still love my roadster, but will be getting the aftermarket pocket mounted 350Z windowed top next year. Will let y'all know how long the fix lasts.

Lark 07-19-2009 08:39 PM

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I have applied one coat of black silicone adhesive I purchased at Advance auto parts. It will need another coat since the lip around the edge had curled outward. It looks kinda crappy right now, but a little trimming after the next coat should make it look OK. The one coat seems to be holding very well. I guess this would be considered a temporary repair unless the adhesive is a better quality than the OEM stuff (why not?).

Art :)

tighed1 07-20-2009 12:19 AM

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If you just used standard black silicone you are going to be dissapointed. Use the good stuff, 3M Window-Weld (08609). Did my repair a month ago and it is still holding perfect.

BoilerUpXFire 07-20-2009 10:48 AM

Re: roadster rear window stick-up
 
The problem seems to be in SW florida especially. My folks called me yesterday, they arrived back at the airport after a few day trip and the rear window of the XF was sitting on the rear ledge 90% disconnected. I was wondering if enough people would be interested to where we can approach this shop in tampa who has already done one with great success and minimal expense to see if we can organize a group buy. I am sure there is significant interest with the amount of people who would need, coupled with the fact that factory tops are 2x as expensive, limited availability, and are more than likely prone to the same problem. Anyone interested?

Lark 07-20-2009 05:27 PM

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I used Permatex part #81158 black silicone adhesive sealant. It is different than the 3M Window Weld part #08609 which is a urethane sealant. 3M recommends their product is used to seal primered (3M product) glass to painted car bodies Also they recommend that the orig. sealer not be totally removed(!). Permatex claims their product secures windshields, vinyl tops, metal etc.. I have used Permatex products nearly 50 years with satisfaction. I used what I could find. I came across the Crossfire forum after my repair had been completed.

Art Rigsby

dwightdmagee 07-27-2009 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by scubaman
I have an appointment to have a new top made next week at Classic Auto Interiors in Tampa. Rear window installed in a pocket, NOT glued in. Now my big decision is BLACK or Tan...my Crossfire is silver blue. I'll have till next Monday to agonize over this.
scubaman

Not sure what your man's limitations are (were), but if anybody is considering having a top made, the choice of colors should be fairly dramatic. I once had a white Grand Torino and put a powder blue top on it. Gorgeous. I bet the SSB Crossfire would be striking with a coordinated blue top.

Somebody on the site has a pic of a black Crossfire done out in brown leather.

BoilerUpXFire 07-28-2009 09:21 AM

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I believe it is FP who likes to post the leather convertible top pick, but I bet if he got one, it would be orange LOL

He could probably pull it off too hahaha

GatorLCA 08-06-2009 08:54 PM

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i'm actually dropping my car off at Classic Interiors in Tampa tomorrow. The price has gone up a little bit due to material cost of the top. They wanted $1475+ tax but since I told him of the positive responses from this forum he dropped the price to $1275+tax.

They are also documenting all of the cars that come into the shop so they can possibly submit enough paperwork to Chrysler and maybe we could get a reimbursement or a recall notice for this issue (and maybe they would do the work or sell a kit). Either way, it's a step in the right direction for some bad engineering

Anyway, I'm getting a black top so I'll post pics once I get the car back which will be Monday or Tuesday of next week

LNRDR 08-06-2009 09:22 PM

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Last year after I got my car I was in Casper Wyoming on vacation and took my roadster through a car wash. It was a manual wash and when I got done there was water on my rear dash. It looked like it came in from around the rear window, but it hasn't leaked since and I can't find any gaps. The temperatures were in the low 60s. Not sure what was up with this. Has anyone else experienced this?

Also if I had to replace my top I would think about doing a gun metal grey or scarlet red.

BoilerUpXFire 08-07-2009 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LNRDR
Last year after I got my car I was in Casper Wyoming on vacation and took my roadster through a car wash. It was a manual wash and when I got done there was water on my rear dash. It looked like it came in from around the rear window, but it hasn't leaked since and I can't find any gaps. The temperatures were in the low 60s. Not sure what was up with this. Has anyone else experienced this?

Also if I had to replace my top I would think about doing a gun metal grey or scarlet red.

Coule the pressure from the hose have hit it at the correct angle and forced some water through the pressure seal of the top??

bret wilkins 08-10-2009 12:38 PM

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yes 3m does make a window glue that works great it comes in a caulking tube but is smaller than the normal size but it is worth the cost $19.00 for glue and $20.00 for gun. good luck!

nate_man 08-10-2009 01:17 PM

Re: roadster rear window stick-up
 

Originally Posted by scubaman
7-6-09
here are the crossfire convertible top pics

I am not a fan of tan tops but they did do a very good job for you.

I hope that everyone reading this thread has a pop-topp cover. IT is the only thing that you can use for protecting your top.

The heat is the primary culprit. Wind buffeting is not a real issue. The fact that these tops are black, the are like a heat seeking sensor and the cars really heat up in the southern sun.

The poptopp cover keeps em cool and eliminates direct heat on the adhesive.

At least there is an alternative if your top fails but this would never make me get rid of my roadster! These challenges go with all roadsters unless you have a sewn in like the ones on the likes of those laborghinis, but then you would have paid for a new top 100 times over! LOL!

oledoc2u 08-10-2009 02:46 PM

Re: roadster rear window stick-up
 
wow....I'd better go look at my roadster....may want to go topless all the time...tighed1 and Lark's idea sounds like the cheaper fix....off to look at my rear window...

Stevefromtyler 08-10-2009 05:50 PM

Re: roadster rear window stick-up
 
My repair with 3M window weld is holding up in the 100 degree TX heat after 1 month. I think that even if I had to fix every 6 months, I would forego the new top option. I will post if it comes loose. After all, I only had to repair 1/3 of the glass, so I expect the OEM glue to fail on the rest soon.

tighed1 08-10-2009 07:04 PM

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Checking in,
over a month and a half and the repair is still holding up 100%.
Have driven the car almost every day.

I put my PopTop on the car while at work and park in the garage at home.

LNRDR 08-12-2009 09:01 PM

Re: roadster rear window stick-up
 

Originally Posted by LNRDR
Last year after I got my car I was in Casper Wyoming on vacation and took my roadster through a car wash. It was a manual wash and when I got done there was water on my rear dash. It looked like it came in from around the rear window, but it hasn't leaked since and I can't find any gaps. The temperatures were in the low 60s. Not sure what was up with this. Has anyone else experienced this?

Also if I had to replace my top I would think about doing a gun metal grey or scarlet red.

Blahhh, this happened again today. Took my roadster through an automatic wash, looked out the back window for some reason and got squirted in the face with water. I still can't find where it came from, guess I have to look a little harder. :confused:

OKC-XFR 08-12-2009 09:08 PM

Re: roadster rear window stick-up
 
Sounds like your car is telling you that it doesn't want to be put through an automatic wash! ;)

LNRDR 08-12-2009 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OKC-XFR
Sounds like your car is telling you that it doesn't want to be put through an automatic wash! ;)

I think the Crossfire god is still angry at me from trying to put a cupholder in on Sunday night. Anyway on a serious note, what are these pop top covers? I know I'm a noob. Going to google it, but anyone know a good place to buy one.

tighed1 08-12-2009 10:05 PM

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Car Covers, Car Sun Shades - California PopTop
order now!

tighed1 08-12-2009 10:08 PM

Re: roadster rear window stick-up
 

Originally Posted by LNRDR
Blahhh, this happened again today. Took my roadster through an automatic wash, looked out the back window for some reason and got squirted in the face with water. I still can't find where it came from, guess I have to look a little harder. :confused:

I couldn't tell that my window had separated until I opened the top to the half open position. It was VERY easy to see then.
Try that.

nate_man 08-13-2009 12:34 AM

Re: roadster rear window stick-up
 

Originally Posted by LNRDR
Blahhh, this happened again today. Took my roadster through an automatic wash, looked out the back window for some reason and got squirted in the face with water. I still can't find where it came from, guess I have to look a little harder. :confused:

Fist off, never put your baby through an automatic car wash!

Second always clean her by hand, they love the TLC

And third, refer to number one if you reached number three.

I do hope you find the problem.

;)

Stargazer 08-13-2009 05:28 PM

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In Orlando, is the Orlando Auto Upholstery shop - been around for 20+ yrs. They recently replaced our top and did a great job. 407-898-5007. And, if you are in the Orlando area, we'll be glad to show you what the final product looks like.

BoilerUpXFire 08-14-2009 08:04 AM

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First post and a forum SUPER SPONSOR, awefully ambitious LOL.

Welcome aboard, you will find this is a great place....

John

godfada 08-20-2009 09:20 PM

Re: roadster rear window stick-up
 
I am in Texas and the back window just detached today, 05 Crossfire with 40k miles on it.

Anyone know a good place near Austin? :)

paigemartin 09-18-2009 03:03 PM

Re: roadster rear window stick-up
 
Hi everyone!
I had the same thing happen to me. I have an 05 Crossfire with 140K miles. On 5/19/09, my rear window collapsed inside my car. Only the bottom part of the window was still attached to the top which was good because I was able to keep the window propped back into place with a dog bed. ;)
The next day I had the window fixed temporarily by an upholstery guy. He used the 3m weatherstrip adhesive. It was supposed to last until I could afford a new top but a few days later, the glue began to crack. I touched it up myself with the 3m probably every couple of weeks.
Meanwhile, I ordered a new top at the end of May from Pena Brothers here in San Antonio. The price was $2,225 with labor (outrageous but still cheaper than dealership). Pena Brothers ordered the top through Chrysler and I was put on the waiting list. The top was supposed to arrive on 8/21 but it didnt come in. The new date I was given was late October.
I had heard about GAHH Automotive and that they were making tops for the Crossfire. Pena Brothers had told me they only work with factory tops but they were willing to try this company out since I had been waiting so long.
The only problem was that my original top had to be sent in to GAHH in California because they use the old top for its parts. So I dropped my car off for 2 weeks while they sent off my old top and waited for the top to be sent back and install. Total cost was $2,123 ($1,571 for the top, $425 labor). Also, the top has a 2 year warranty. The new top from GAHH looks amazing and the window is VERY secure! I highly recommend this option.

Sorry the post is a little long but I wanted to give all the details. :)
Please see the pictures of new top in my gallery.

Paige

godfada 09-18-2009 03:09 PM

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I would strongly suggest that you call Chrysler over and over, if you cry enough you will end up with a new factory top but you will have to pay a $1000.00 copay.

Good luck everyone.

Ps: Traded my crossfire for a 2010 mustang Gt and I love it, I will never buy a car from the Chrysler group again.

Goldwing 09-18-2009 10:02 PM

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Paige - You must be the charter member of the high mileage club. We don't see a lot of owners claiming over 140k---most seem to be 1/10 of that. How has it held up otherwise?

autumnmass 09-19-2009 12:09 PM

Re: roadster rear window stick-up
 
Did anyone ever get pictures of the new top that "scubaman" had installed. Would like to see "tan" top.

Thank you

paigemartin 09-19-2009 01:29 PM

Re: roadster rear window stick-up
 
I love to drive my car. For a few years, we drove 150 miles roundtrip from Austin to San Antonio 5 days a week. Thats what did it. But I take really good care of my car and bring her in for oil changes every 6-7K and service every 30K. As long as I keep my Crossfire maintained and clean, she seems to treat me well. ;)
We have also been through about 6 sets of tires! Oh and 1 convertible top! But no major problems.


Originally Posted by Goldwing
Paige - You must be the charter member of the high mileage club. We don't see a lot of owners claiming over 140k---most seem to be 1/10 of that. How has it held up otherwise?


Crosscar 09-19-2009 01:35 PM

Re: roadster rear window stick-up
 
On you new top is the rear window glued in and did they use your old window?

paigemartin 09-19-2009 02:40 PM

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New window. The only thing they re-used were all the plastic pieces in the top itself. But the top and window are both new.


Originally Posted by Crosscar
On you new top is the rear window glued in and did they use your old window?


GForce75 09-19-2009 04:00 PM

Re: roadster rear window stick-up
 
Is it me? Try calling your insurance company if you have some type of window replacement service. My car was outside when mine fell in and did a comprehensive claim. I took it in and they paid 2400 while i paid my 50 deductible.

GatorLCA 09-21-2009 08:47 PM

Re: roadster rear window stick-up
 
Scubaman's in Tan
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum/393535-post29.html

Mine in black
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...-pictures.html

Both from the same company, my thread has better resolution of the quality of work

dan22644 09-22-2009 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by godfada
I would strongly suggest that you call Chrysler over and over, if you cry enough you will end up with a new factory top but you will have to pay a $1000.00 copay.

Good luck everyone.

Ps: Traded my crossfire for a 2010 mustang Gt and I love it, I will never buy a car from the Chrysler group again.

Or if you are a hot blond like my wife, you talk them into the Chrysler "Good Will Warranty" and pay a $250 deductible. Never heard of such a thing, but she is known for talking her way into these kind of deals.

Anybody else get that deal?

And as for all the speculation about why the window fell out, I have to disagree with everything except for too much heat. The glue really looked melted. The car was always garage kept, we never drove with the windows down and top up, and pretty much babied it.

We bought the car while living in Georgia, then moved to Tampa Bay, and finally Fleming Island, Fl. It actually fell out when she was at the beach this summer, and it was scorching hot.

I did notice that the new top window is still glued in from below, but it somehow looks a little different, like there is a flat zone around the window when looking at it from the outside. Maybe I will get some pics.


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