Driving Miss Daisy, this aint
Ok I have done the driving thing on the wavetec rear and its interesting. There are no bugs that I have found so far and the races at autocrossing will occur on Saturday if I don’t melt in the 99 degree Washington heat.
Driving, well that is going to be a special time for those that don’t know how to drive. This rear is like my phantom grip and both tires pull on a hard take off BUT THIS IT A BIT MORE LIKE A POSI REAR. BEWARE.
Driving a posi hard will teach you humility quickly if your not THINKING about what your doing. Since both tires turn more or less together and if one spinning so is the other. That means that you have NO DIRECTIONAL STABILITY. Like a 4 wheel drive with spinning tires, you go any way not where you may think. The crossfire in a straight will pull better and crab a bit sideways which must be controlled. If your in a turn and nail it you can go sideways and ROUND in a hurry, faster than youd think.
I punched it in a hard turn from a complete stop and yes it started coming around pretty quick. From a hard start on the original tires, I got lots of smoke and a bit of a sideways drift which is probably due to differences in tire inflation. This is what I was looking to get so I could drift in turns and increase the rate of rotation thru the corner.
Bottom line it was about 9 hours to pop and reinstall the rear. I believe that it is worth it, Saturday will tell. I also have a nice short video of the way MY crossfire revs from 2000 to over 5000 on the lift, scary to me how fast it raps up, but again this is what I wanted to have – bottom end power thanks in part to Robs assistance and support. I have lots of work to keep me doing things other than car stuff but Ill get the utube soon as a video.
Photos are not what I was expecting from a high def camera so I took additional photos using another camera for follow up shots, again to be posted later. Enjoy, Woody
Here is a link as the photos wont load into the thread.........again. Youll have to go thru the album to see the steps and stuff, be well.
https://www.crossfireforum.org/galle...camera_052.JPG
Go out and enjoy the rear but heed the warning of the rear coming around - - FAST.
Driving, well that is going to be a special time for those that don’t know how to drive. This rear is like my phantom grip and both tires pull on a hard take off BUT THIS IT A BIT MORE LIKE A POSI REAR. BEWARE.
Driving a posi hard will teach you humility quickly if your not THINKING about what your doing. Since both tires turn more or less together and if one spinning so is the other. That means that you have NO DIRECTIONAL STABILITY. Like a 4 wheel drive with spinning tires, you go any way not where you may think. The crossfire in a straight will pull better and crab a bit sideways which must be controlled. If your in a turn and nail it you can go sideways and ROUND in a hurry, faster than youd think.
I punched it in a hard turn from a complete stop and yes it started coming around pretty quick. From a hard start on the original tires, I got lots of smoke and a bit of a sideways drift which is probably due to differences in tire inflation. This is what I was looking to get so I could drift in turns and increase the rate of rotation thru the corner.
Bottom line it was about 9 hours to pop and reinstall the rear. I believe that it is worth it, Saturday will tell. I also have a nice short video of the way MY crossfire revs from 2000 to over 5000 on the lift, scary to me how fast it raps up, but again this is what I wanted to have – bottom end power thanks in part to Robs assistance and support. I have lots of work to keep me doing things other than car stuff but Ill get the utube soon as a video.
Photos are not what I was expecting from a high def camera so I took additional photos using another camera for follow up shots, again to be posted later. Enjoy, Woody
Here is a link as the photos wont load into the thread.........again. Youll have to go thru the album to see the steps and stuff, be well.
https://www.crossfireforum.org/galle...camera_052.JPG
Go out and enjoy the rear but heed the warning of the rear coming around - - FAST.
Tell me about it! First time I floored it in 2nd I was 45º in a heartbeat. Now that I'm getting used to it I can feel it working. Listen to Woody, be careful at first until you learn the new behavior.
I can't wait to hear about your competition. All mine keep getting rained out.
Les
I can't wait to hear about your competition. All mine keep getting rained out.
Les
did the 2 of you get the rear realigned? you lose the alignment when the axles are apart and you need to get it realigned. this will help with the drift!
Hmmm... thanks for telling us Woody. It makes me a little nervous about the Dragon in the fall... especially since I've been known to push it a little in the twisties.
I still haven't tested mine in the twisty's but I can feel it working when on the edge of traction. When I have no traction is when it locks both wheels and I go sideways. It's going to take some getting used to but I'm liking it.
As we speak I have 0 toe and -1.5º camber in the rear.
Les
As we speak I have 0 toe and -1.5º camber in the rear.
Les
Alignment has no effect when you light the rear up, there is no directional stability to be had, and my alignment was not altered as I did not mess with the toe struts in the rear, everything else is fixed length.
My 6pac 440 challenger 1973 has 475+ ft/pd of torque at about 3000 and it is yet to go smoothly around a corner hard, itll whip you, so it gets run in the dry and I drive it only. The dana 60 rear used to have 456's and that was a sound to be heard, but not witnessed by the faint of heart. I got out of it often with the wobblies. This is why no one really has posi now, for the appliance operators that we call drivers today. Heck they cant check their own oil and antifreeze is off their chart for work. Ha. Woody
DId the photos expand your understandings of the interior of the beast????
My 6pac 440 challenger 1973 has 475+ ft/pd of torque at about 3000 and it is yet to go smoothly around a corner hard, itll whip you, so it gets run in the dry and I drive it only. The dana 60 rear used to have 456's and that was a sound to be heard, but not witnessed by the faint of heart. I got out of it often with the wobblies. This is why no one really has posi now, for the appliance operators that we call drivers today. Heck they cant check their own oil and antifreeze is off their chart for work. Ha. Woody
DId the photos expand your understandings of the interior of the beast????
I can only imagine how conflicted the Bosch ME2.8.1 ECU is in your car Woody! Yee Haw! Congrats you guys, good job with this whole Wavetrack ordeal.
Woody,
Thanks for the feeedback on the LSD. I am looking forward to the video and additional information about the install as well. When I click on the link for the photos, only one photo appears but it is too small to make out anything. Later
Thanks for the feeedback on the LSD. I am looking forward to the video and additional information about the install as well. When I click on the link for the photos, only one photo appears but it is too small to make out anything. Later
Here is my photo link to the galllery. The gallery also has other topics that some may find to be interesting.
A PAIN in the REAR - CrossfireForum.org Gallery
A PAIN in the REAR - CrossfireForum.org Gallery
Clean oil, no chips, and teeth were shiny and smooth, did not take it apart as I dont want to stress the phantom grip components by taking them apart. The factory installed the PG for me and set it properly. It shows no wear. Made my day BUT I DID use synthetic. Woody
Originally Posted by waldig
It shows no wear. Made my day BUT I DID use synthetic. Woody
If anyone needs a complete SRT6 carrier with gears I have a spare that only has 11k miles on it... I also have a spare complete stock SRT6 differential...



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