Gosh, I haven't had this much fun since I poked myself in the eye with a stick. Let's get together and do it again real soon.

 

I'm with you Alvin!
Just to add a little fuel to the fire! Did you see the article in the latest Road & Track Speed Magazine? Still in stores.
Indepth test where Crossfire SRT6 faces off with the Porche S and the Nismo 350Z S-Tune. I quote " This is the day a Chrysler took on a Porche and a Nissian at the track......and won! The name of the magazine is SPEED after all." If you read the article it mentions some of the handling comments that were made on these threads, however, when the lap times were posted, the professionals found the Crossfire much faster on the clock than it felt on the track. So maybe your both right! So, as they say in The Ultimate Fighting Competition, LETS GET IT ON! Dan, gotta love your passion for the Xfire!
PS: No one ever accused me of being sensible, so you can turn the car inside out and upside down but I just straight out LOVE IT anyways!

 

It certainly was like reading between the lines because your original post was so intent on comparing the SRT6 against the Porsche Turbo RUF that at that time it would have been easy to miss any reference to the 911. Your post did not explain any comparison FACTS between the Porsche 911 and the SRT6, certainly not like you went on & on about the RUF comparison.
I'm afraid you started this whole thing by posting a long winded comparison between two fully unequal cars in every category (especially price) and you now have the gall to go back and edit your original post and now say that your original intentional "point" was something different completely. It is hard to believe that you're a professional automobile journalist when you take this approach to reviewing a vehicles performance.

Just to let you know that I'm not an SRT6 fan by any means and am not trying to defend that particular vehicle, however I do like the Xfire in general but for many reasons not even mentioned in your original post, but my argument is with the content of your original post and the completely negative attitude you displayed in that comparison. The fact you "scratched" that original post proves to me that you admit that you wrote one disgusting article (post).

 

See if your editor thinks a good article would be "Crossfire SRT6 vs. Porsche RUF".

I don't think so.

Nor do I think that Motortrend or any other automobile magazine would want to do such a comparison. Mainly because it's a joke.

In automobile magazines, they compare new cars of the same class.

They don't do a "2005 Infiniti G35 vs 2000 Porsche 911".

They won't do a "2005 Hyundai Santa Fe versus 2001 BMW X5".

They don't do a "2005 Mercedes S500 vs 1998 Bentley"

Even though the price of the new car may equal that of the used car, they are still in a totally different class.

Admit it, these comparisons are ridiculous, as is comparing a $45k SRT6 vs a $200k Porsche RUF.

If you want to compare SRT6, compare it against other new cars in the same price and class range. This is the acceptable standard in the automobile world. You briefly mention the boxster, thats a good comparison, and one which the SRT6 handily wins.

 

OK, so what criteria are you using to answer the question?

 

Is the Porsche worth 200K?

 

Only if you love PORSCHEs.And you can buy it for half the new price that some PORSCHE IDIOT PAID.

 

I do like Porsches, but 200k is a lot of money for a car to be driven on the street. So I really don't think 45-47k for a SRT-6 is any more insane than $200K for a Porsche.

 

If all you're asking is THE SRT6 worth the $$42-47k for cpes or Rags for 50k+ the answer is Yes for a new car value based against other cars in its class.As for your buddy making a choice to buy a used porsche whatever year was not stated !Is that a good buy over a NEW PORSCHE PRICE YES.
Calling the SRT6 a new car is mostly WRONG it's just a SLKamg in a $10k-$15,000 cheaper wrapping.IS this a good buy ?Get REAL.I suggest you write about buying used cars, that to you are a bargain.
As for Porsches' new 911/2005 car that has been put high above all other PORSCHES it's about time it only took 30 years or so for them to get it right !And besides Porsche, who else builds a SPORTSCAR as their only car and sells them under $70,000.

 

I don't know how this thread went too far if " The SRT-6 is worth the money? ". Yes, it is worth the money comparing it with the top brands like Porsche Boxster, Audi TT and SLK 350. We are talking about money matters here and speed is just the bonus. I know we have a Porsche enthusiasts here but the comparison is not fair to say that the SRT-6 is not worth the money. It's like comparing the Chrysler ME Four Twelve vs. Porsche RUF . Now, how do y'all Porsche lovers want that comparison?
That's why there should be fairness in comparison to gain your bragging rights in this forum.

 

It is apparent that there have been several different takes on what the essence of this debate was about. I never saw this as a comparison shopping test. I don't believe that it was offered as such. The big Porsche was mentioned more as a means to establish the cred. and viewpoint of the writer. I was glad to hear the comments of a seasoned experienced driver who had some time to shake down a SRT. There have been some points made that otherwise may never have come to our attention. Sorry if we don't like them but that doesn't change the facts.

So what we have learned from this exercise is that if one is looking for a fairly serious track machine that the SRT has some limitations. It evidently has some weak power band areas, the suspension may not be on a par with the power and the brakes can be problematic. If the user does not intend to track his car much then these limitations will matter little. Unless the driver has a fair amount of skill these limitations will matter even less. If I had an SRT I would be careful how I applied the power when exiting corners.

Any comparison was left up to us. I did not want a serious sports car and do not have an SRT so this information has little direct impact on me. When I put mine on the track again I will keep these comments in mind but I doubt that they will affect me much. I can't run as hard as they did and I won't run as long. I had already arrived at the conclusion that the SRT would probably be a tough sell. There are drivers out there for this car but they probably won't be serious performance sports car buffs.

 

What's funny is that the road tests I've read regarding the SRT-6 have all been very positive. Car and Driver tested it at Willow Springs (where, I believe, HDDP and Saskins race on occasion) and they noted how well it cornered and how well the brakes behaved. Read for yourself here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Dec15.html
Too bad we can't read the Road and Track Speed article online.

Maybe HDDP and Saskins can chime in here and offer a counter point to the negative views from the first post.

 

I think wwz, thinks most people buy cars to track race ,get real they don't.If I had $$s to buy a $50k new or used car to race with it would never be a Fully loaded air condition Porsche or SRT6.

But ,one thing I'm getting tired of hearing is how great Porsches are for track or whatever.They have a classic look that even they can't shake,I think Crossfires looks wise beats them badly,before getting my NSX in 91 new I drove a new Porsche to compare the two.Hands down the NSX beat the old style Porsche.A few weeks ago I test drove a 20k miles Porsche Cab 89,It looked new but drove like a baby buggy ! I got back into my XF and smiled as I drove away.The new Porsche is based price at $68k+ the one I saw in a showroom was $82K with added factory extras,I smiled as I drove away in my XF .You could buy almost 3 XFs for that.Almost 2 XFs for what he(WWZ) paid $51k for a 4700mi porsche year unknown.I hope those 4700miles weren't on his favorite RACE track !

 

[QUOTE=Uncle_Al]It is apparent that there have been several different takes on what the essence of this debate was about. I never saw this as a comparison shopping test. I don't believe that it was offered as such. The big Porsche was mentioned more as a means to establish the cred. and viewpoint of the writer. I was glad to hear the comments of a seasoned experienced driver who had some time to shake down a SRT. There have been some points made that otherwise may never have come to our attention. Sorry if we don't like them but that doesn't change the facts.

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Uncle-Al, I think the writer lost all credibility as an unbiased journalist when he raced a $200,000. Porsche against the SRT6, criticized the SRT6 relative to the Porsche and then got out of the $200,000. Porsche, jumped into the SRT6 and continued on about how badly it handled, obviously compared to the performance of the car he just got out of.

If you're a credible autombile journalist doing a review, you either compare vehicles of the same category, head to head or you review a single vehicle based on a set of standards that have already been set in the performance world for that type of vehicle.
Obviously, this was not where he was coming from. And then he felt it necessary to go back and scratch the original post because he realized he had made a blunder.

I don't find any of what he said credible because of the way it was done in the first place.
It is one automobile journalist that I believe we can do without.

 

I have had the SRT on the track recently and the handling is VERY loose. For the size and weight of the car the power is just too much. Athough many of us will never drive on the track, we will go over 100 and whether you hit a puddle or a pea it's enough to throw the vehicle out of control.

I bought the car for it's looks and performance, but have to say it's more looks than performance. Yes it's peppy, but thats just relative to what you have been driving before, if you used to drive a 200hp car, then it's a lot quicker, but give it some chores to do and it's down right scary, which means you cannot enjoy the performance of the car to it's full potential. I had an '02 Corvette and it would stick like glue and out handle the SRT hands down. The Vette is a lot more car, more power, more everything and about the same price., i'd pay a few more bucks for a 911 anyday, now I know what the SRT is all about. We're not all thrilled with this car.

I wouldn't have been so harsh on the guy who made this post, it's cool to have these guy's around, I understand why he decided to ditch his post, it wasn't worth it. I don't think the post was comparing the SRT to the RUF as far as performance goes, as he tried to make that clear several times. What I understood, he was trying to ascertain if the SRT6 was worth the money. To me it's just a pretty car. I'll keep it for a year or so and maybe move up a ways and get myself a Porsche or another Vette, at least i'll have performance car that can really perform, not just go fast. I could be defensive too, but just because I own one it wouldn't be fair. We learn from our mistakes and unfortunately a couple of test drives didn't surface it's weaknesses. If I would have had this type of info up front from real people, not just paid reviews, it may have saved my disappointment.

I've read some guys wanting to tweak these things to even higher horsepower. Trust me, it can barely handle the 330 it has now. If you ever get the chance to really drive the SRT, watch out, it'll scare the "C" out of you, it just doesn't cooperate at speed, in fact it gets so loose, I took it to the dealer for them to check it out, according to them it was all in good order. As far as braking goes this thing nose dives big time on emergency braking and yes the brakes do fade rapidly. Oh and by the way, before any of you start ranting on me too, this is JUST my opinion.

Hey Dude if you're still reading these posts, i'd appreciate having you back, I can learn a lot from guys like you.

 

I'm not going to get on your case and I respect your opinion, especially someone who owns the SRT6. I guess that is why I'm not a big fan of the SRT6 to begin with. Not to mention that it only comes as an Autotrans.
When I read the guys post, I certainly took it as a compare with the RUF. I didn't even know what a RUF was but when I seen Porsche Turbo, I figured that would not be a fair compare. I think he "scratched" his post, not because we crapped all over him but simply because he realized that it appeared as a comparison as well.
Ya can't change the "meaning" without changing the words, sentences and paragraphs.

 

These guys often run with faster cars to be able to observe the test car from different angles at different points on the track. It also gives the driver of the test car more drive (excuse the pun) to be able to chase a faster car and push the test car to it's limits. It wouldn't have done them much good to have gone around in the SRT6 with a Neon. These are not time trials where they just sit on the sideline and click a stopwatch.

 

Well your observations seem to fairly closely follow the original post. Again I am surprised about the braking comments. There have been a fair number of the vanilla versions put on the track and none of them ever made this point. Makes one wonder what the differences between the 2 are. Mine certainly squats and leans under hard breaking but it is well controlled as it does so. I never thought that my brakes were getting soft either. I wonder if this is just because I would enter most corners at a speed probably around 15-20% less than an SRT would. Mine is also primarily a "pretty" car but I would like to think that it does OK at the track.

 

New Porsche. I wonder if they can top themselves next year 06 ?

 

I'll bet that's your Alabaster in the background. Not a bad comparison considering the big price difference!! Ha Ha!

I couldn't resist saying that!