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Old May 15, 2007 | 06:26 PM
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I was referred here by another member... We are interested in building headers for the crossfire & the SRT6. If we can get a car to use for the prototyping, the owner of the donated car will receive a production set at pure cost! If we can organize a group of people that are interested, the price would be even lower. We are a custom header manufacturer, and currently offer shorty headers for the E55 Kompressor. We have an SLK32 coming in for the same type of situation, along with a SLK63. While the SLK32 engine is similar, there are differences, so a new header design is warranted. You can view pics at: www.flooredfab.com. We are always looking to help out in anyway we can!
 
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Old May 15, 2007 | 06:43 PM
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I know HDDP, Derek, is the main Autocross guy here. I'm almost positive he'll be interested as long as he can have a set for free or at cost of materials. You should contact him, that way your product will see track time and get actual track time against other manufactures. That is if you want to sell product you have to be race proven, or at least dyno proven over factory parts.

Good luck! We all would love to see what you can make for us.
 

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Old May 15, 2007 | 06:51 PM
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How ironic that you bring up headers for the Crossfire today. This morning I was thinking about my first Corvette, a '72 that I bought from my employer in '74. It was canary yellow and had black side headers and sounded and looked unreal. Then I was thinking how cool it would be to have chrome headers on one of my SRT6 black roadsters. I questioned the clearance got side-tracked at the office and it did not cross my mind till I read your post just now.

I would be interested in letting you use the # 2 roadster. You can PM me.

Where are you located? MESA, AZ Answered my own question. I agree Derek may be a great choice. I think he is out your direction. LALA lan Florida is a fer piece away from AZ.
 

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Old May 15, 2007 | 08:51 PM
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I'd be interested. I have a hard time with the price of the E55 headers though. I realize that every other header out there for a Benz is astronomical but I don't buy that markup. The headers aren't intricate, equal length nor full length so I don't see why the price tag. If you could get the price point in the neighborhood of say $600 - $700 you would sell lots of 'em.
 
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Old May 15, 2007 | 09:18 PM
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Those E55 headers really do look nice!
But I'm sure some of us here could do without the JETHOT coating, to keep costs down that would be one less step in production. The E55 sale price $1,799 is relatively competitive with other v8 headers for say LS1 Camaros and Vettes. Hell if it was a German brand header they would be charging well into $4,500 for another 25 hp increase. This is a good deal.

For a v6 all steel headers with out coatings, I say $600 - $700 is a good starting price. I'm not familiar with the cost of JETHOT coatings, that would probably run another $250 - $300?
 

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Old May 16, 2007 | 12:26 AM
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one question... where are you located... and I myself would be very interested in purchasing a set of performance headers providing they make an positive increase over the stock specs...
 
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Old May 16, 2007 | 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by msheredy
I'd be interested. I have a hard time with the price of the E55 headers though. I realize that every other header out there for a Benz is astronomical but I don't buy that markup. The headers aren't intricate, equal length nor full length so I don't see why the price tag. If you could get the price point in the neighborhood of say $600 - $700 you would sell lots of 'em.
Well, believe it or not, the E55 Long tube set on the site took over 40 hour to complete. Your would be correct on the shorty set, if they were built like a set of Hookers or Headman,etc... which are MIG welded and mass produced and thrown together. All of our headers are hand made and tig welded. The tig welding adds a considerable amount of time and strength. Also every set we produce has flush welded inlets that are smoothed out for better flow and gasket sealing. The flanges we use are cnc water-jet cut from patterns we make, not existing gaskets or pre-produced flanges. Some headers require special ball flanges for the down pipes or catalytic converters. Mass produced headers typically use a swedged or stamped ball flange that works ok, but alters and reduces the flow of the exhaust reducing over all HP & TQ. We cnc machine the ball to the mating radius of the flange and cnc cut the bolt-mounting flange the tig weld them together in a jig. While this does take longer and add to the over all cost of the headers, we believe it makes a better product. Most of the headers we produce use merge collectors and short or long megaphones. This setup is used mostly on race vehicles, however it can be adapted to street cars. The E55 shorty headers were made because of the request we received to build a lower cost unit that performed as equally or better that what was currently available. We can build them for a lot cheaper, but then we would be like everyone else "mass producing" headers. We build the one at a time!
 
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Old May 16, 2007 | 01:03 AM
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one question... where are you located... and I myself would be very interested in purchasing a set of performance headers providing they make an positive increase over the stock specs...
We are located in Mesa, Az.

Floored Fabrication
638 W. Broadway Rd suite 308
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Old May 16, 2007 | 01:08 AM
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Those E55 headers really do look nice!
But I'm sure some of us here could do without the JETHOT coating, to keep costs down that would be one less step in production. The E55 sale price $1,799 is relatively competitive with other v8 headers for say LS1 Camaros and Vettes. Hell if it was a German brand header they would be charging well into $4,500 for another 25 hp increase. This is a good deal.

For a v6 all steel headers with out coatings, I say $600 - $700 is a good starting price. I'm not familiar with the cost of JETHOT coatings, that would probably run another $250 - $300?
We do offer a low cost coating, however there is no warranty on it nor does it provide any performance gains or thermal reduction. The Jet-hot coating is warranted for life and provide performance gain by keeping the heat inside the headers as well as reducing underhood temps by about 120 deg. F.
 
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Old May 16, 2007 | 01:12 AM
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Well, believe it or not, the E55 Long tube set on the site took over 40 hour to complete. Your would be correct on the shorty set, if they were built like a set of Hookers or Headman,etc... which are MIG welded and mass produced and thrown together. All of our headers are hand made and tig welded. The tig welding adds a considerable amount of time and strength. Also every set we produce has flush welded inlets that are smoothed out for better flow and gasket sealing. The flanges we use are cnc water-jet cut from patterns we make, not existing gaskets or pre-produced flanges. Some headers require special ball flanges for the down pipes or catalytic converters. Mass produced headers typically use a swedged or stamped ball flange that works ok, but alters and reduces the flow of the exhaust reducing over all HP & TQ. We cnc machine the ball to the mating radius of the flange and cnc cut the bolt-mounting flange the tig weld them together in a jig. While this does take longer and add to the over all cost of the headers, we believe it makes a better product. Most of the headers we produce use merge collectors and short or long megaphones. This setup is used mostly on race vehicles, however it can be adapted to street cars. The E55 shorty headers were made because of the request we received to build a lower cost unit that performed as equally or better that what was currently available. We can build them for a lot cheaper, but then we would be like everyone else "mass producing" headers. We build the one at a time!
Also we need to build a prototype to determine to build costs and time. If a large quantity are sold then lower prices would be warranted.
 
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Old May 16, 2007 | 01:24 AM
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Speaking for myself, I don't need all the special attention you guys are putting into your E55 headers. Though I do appreciate the craftsmanship you put into it.

I would prefer a Mig welded, mass production part that puts out more flow than the current exhaust manifold. I don't need a lifetime warrantee on the header coatings. I have no need for TIG welded, CNC, or flow jet parts.

I would prefer a cookie cutter stamped out header like all the muscle car manufactures make. The less money you guys spend on making a good quality part, the less money that will come out of my wallet.

Now before we all get carried away , most of us here won't purchase a performance part without a Dyno comparison. So you guys should be able to find someone here with a car in AZ.
 
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Old May 16, 2007 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by cjspecial
We are located in Mesa, Az.

Floored Fabrication
638 W. Broadway Rd suite 308
Mesa, Az 85210
480-232-7370
meh i am in new jersey...
 
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Old May 16, 2007 | 09:22 AM
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Also we need to build a prototype to determine to build costs and time. If a large quantity are sold then lower prices would be warranted.
I'd loan you mine - but I'm in Michigan.
Hopefully someone will come through for you guys.
 
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Old May 16, 2007 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by cjspecial
We are located in Mesa, Az.

Floored Fabrication
638 W. Broadway Rd suite 308
Mesa, Az 85210
480-232-7370
Its times like this that I wish I lived in Arizona...
 
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Old May 16, 2007 | 09:59 AM
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I also would be interested. If you come up with a set, please contact me as well. Thank you.
 
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Old May 16, 2007 | 11:18 AM
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I can appreciate the cost concern! As soon as we get a car in, we can evaluate it and determine a good part to cost ratio that I think will keep everyone happy!
 
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Old May 16, 2007 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Sidez
meh i am in new jersey...
Sorry to hear about the fires blazing through it!
 
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Old May 16, 2007 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by cjspecial
We are located in Mesa, Az.
Is that just east of Phoenix? How long do you guesstimate it would take to fab a set up?

You mentioned that you have an SLK32 coming in. I wouldn't imagine these 2 cars being all that different. They use the same engine, M112, and the chassis is the same as well, R170. What is the scheduling for that particular build? My folks live in Foothills, AZ and I could take a trip over there for a test fit.
 
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Old May 16, 2007 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by cjspecial
I was referred here by another member... We are interested in building headers for the crossfire & the SRT6. If we can get a car to use for the prototyping, the owner of the donated car will receive a production set at pure cost! If we can organize a group of people that are interested, the price would be even lower. We are a custom header manufacturer, and currently offer shorty headers for the E55 Kompressor. We have an SLK32 coming in for the same type of situation, along with a SLK63. While the SLK32 engine is similar, there are differences, so a new header design is warranted. You can view pics at: www.flooredfab.com. We are always looking to help out in anyway we can!
I'm interested, but your location is a problem as my car is "track only" and would have to be trailered to you. Last year we got a loaner pair of Super Sprint C320 headers and attempted an install. The flange was fine, but the bends back to the combiner wouldn't allow it to clear the bottom of the firewall. I have a shop here in LA that has offered to build a "one off" custom set, but the cost was a bit too much for the time being. It's too bad you guys are in AZ because my car would be ideal for you to do a mock-up since the cats are removed and the pipes are custom duals.

Also would love to see a custom brake ducting kit...

If you're ever in the LA area with an empty car hauler you can borrow the car for a couple of weeks.
 

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Old May 16, 2007 | 02:20 PM
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...my car would be ideal for you to do a mock-up since the cats are removed and the pipes are custom duals.
What about the majority of Crossfire owners here with the OEM exhaust? Fabbing up a set of headers based on your custom setup would do nothing for the rest of the group here. It sounds to me that the intentions of FlooredFab is to cater to the a bolt on community.

They would, however, be able to do a set for your setup.
 
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