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Here's the only thing that I found interesting, so far, while transplanting the SRT6 engine into my track car...
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If you didn't already know, charge air coolers are common on turboed and supper charged engines. They cool the compressed air from the turbo or the supper charger before it enters the intake, which makes the engine produce more power. :cool:
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I think he is likely referring to the manufacturer, Garrett, and Hecho En Mexico..?
I'm sure HDDP knew there was an intercooler on it... SQ |
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I'm sure is referring to the Made in Mexico. :rolleyes:
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it even looks like it was made in Mexico, look at the funky welding, lol looks like it was done with a mig.
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Originally Posted by HDDP
Here's the only thing that I found interesting, so far, while transplanting the SRT6 engine into my track car...
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Originally Posted by HDDP
Here's the only thing that I found interesting, so far, while transplanting the SRT6 engine into my track car...
see that coming. Seems the SRT-6 is truly a diverse vehicle. So, why do some of my more "progressive" friends give me crap about "all the gas I burn". Isn't diversity itself a laudable goal? Oops... wrong forum for that... sorry. :( Coyote |
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Originally Posted by Coyote
Hmmm, knew there were "other" parts in this car, but Mexico? Didn't
see that coming. Seems the SRT-6 is truly a diverse vehicle. Coyote American cars = mostly US parts, Japanese = mostly Japanese. European makers take all sorts of bits from their group of companies and mix and match. Parts from Garrett and other worldwide manufactures (Eaton etc) often end up in European cars because the better (and cheaper) specialist parts are found in the North America. Ford Europe have Ford, Land Rover, Volvo (also Jaguar & Aston Martin) to chose parts from. VW have VW, Seat (Spanish), Skoda, (also Maybach & Lamborghini). BMW started making cars by selling a licensed version of an Austin and did own Land Rover. That said that I think the diesel engine in the Dodge Caliber over here if from Japan and the Diesel PT Cruiser has a MB diesel. As to Garret manufacturing in Mexico - is a common trend world wide, make the product where the raw material is, particularly with things like aluminum, by doing it they can add value and make the most of the resource. The Chinese are catching on that making cheap items in China say an aluminum saucepan using manpower, materials and energy, is not in China's long term interest, far better make a more valuable item and get more income. |
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The engine in my Mini Cooper S was made in Brazil.
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Originally Posted by LantanaTX
The engine in my Mini Cooper S was made in Brazil.
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Originally Posted by ShawnQ
I think he is likely referring to the manufacturer, Garrett, and Hecho En Mexico..?
I have this engine torn apart right now and it's quite interesting... One of the big HP problems I see is the charge air cooler "intercooler" is smack dab wedged in the middle of the V block (the hottest part of the engine) under the supercharger with 5/8" thin wall, un-insulated aluminum tube feeding re-circulated hot water from the engine coolant overflow tank. So, I'm having to do some re-engineering on the charge air cooler to increase the tube size to 3/4" insulated heat sink tube with a custom coolant tank and 3.5" x 6.5" x 18" heat exchanger from Bell Intercoolers and a 6.9 gpm Johnson marine pump. And also going to insulate the intercooler from the heat of the block when it's reinstalled. |
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HDDP,
Do you see any feasible way to move the heat exchanger out from between the 'V', and into cooler air? I assume that if you plan to leave it there, then you've thought out all of the options, and decided on the most cost effective way to do it to provide best bang for buck. I'm new to 'foreign' cars, but other than this one, the only other cars I know of that had their intercooler so close to the engine were the SVO Mustangs and T-Bird turbo coupes. Even those were 'off' of the 2.3L and actually stayed fairly cool. SQ |
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man i can't wait to see this car when its finished.
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Originally Posted by ShawnQ
HDDP,
Do you see any feasible way to move the heat exchanger out from between the 'V', and into cooler air? I assume that if you plan to leave it there, then you've thought out all of the options, and decided on the most cost effective way to do it to provide best bang for buck. I'm new to 'foreign' cars, but other than this one, the only other cars I know of that had their intercooler so close to the engine were the SVO Mustangs and T-Bird turbo coupes. Even those were 'off' of the 2.3L and actually stayed fairly cool. SQ I have ordered a Bell heat exchanger that is 3.5"d X 6.5"h X 18"w that will fit in front of the OEM radiator without intruding on the airflow to the radiator. Also bored the ports of the charge air cooler from the OEM 5/8" to 3/4" and ordered custom heat sink tube from cain industries to plumb the SC cooling liquid from a custom aluminum cooling tank that will be pumped by a 6.9 gpm marine impeller pump... |
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Well, it's getting closer to install and nearly reassembled... I'm sure you'll notice a bit of difference in the appearance... Schrick cams installed, intakes ported & polished, Headers being built, intercooler system pats on the way...
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...9&d=1193774823 https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...1&d=1193774823 |
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Looking good man! Polishing is a PAIN.
Did you have a chance to look closely at the headers? It appears that they are cast, with a sheet metal heat shield around it...is this true? Or are they true tubular design? Keep us posted on the intercooler mods you make. SQ |
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The manifolds are removed since this photo and will never see this engine again :p And yes, they seem to be sleeved with an outer shell...
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And here are some photos ot the Charge Air Cooler...
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And here's the SC after a little work... Still not finished though :(
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Excellent pics again!
Did you modify the pulley, or just took a pic of it? I've never really looked too hard at my S/C as I'm worried that I'll start digging around and messing with it (and subsequently my warranty). Keep us posted on your header design. SQ |
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Sooooo if I bought a SRT motor off of Ebay I would have to take the damn thing apart to put it in my Limited. Ugh. Why can't I just plop it in? :p
This is a serious question. I just finished paying off the super charger for my Porsche at a cost of $5,000. I could get an entire SRT motor off ebay for that price from LKQ. Who could do this work for me? |
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Nice work Derek!!!
Lookin really good buddy. For the intercooler I'd suggest running soft lines back to the passenger seat area (for balance) and put your coolant reservior there, that way you have easy access to add dry ice or just monitor your temps. I would recommend a minimum three gallon capacity on the reservior. Cheers! |
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i NOTICED THAT THERE IS AN OIL COOLER NEXT TO THE OIL FILTER IN THOSE PICTURES, IS THIS ALSO ON THE srt6 CARS OR WAS THIS AN ACTUAL amg32 MOTOR?
sorry..stupid capslock key!:) |
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Originally Posted by MAYAman
Sooooo if I bought a SRT motor off of Ebay I would have to take the damn thing apart to put it in my Limited. Ugh. Why can't I just plop it in? :p
This is a serious question. I just finished paying off the super charger for my Porsche at a cost of $5,000. I could get an entire SRT motor off ebay for that price from LKQ. Who could do this work for me? Bare in mind, my application is MUCH easier than any street application because I don't have to worry about integrating any functioning accessories accept brake lights... The OEM computers are going in the trash and replaced with a MOTEC M600 with drive by wire. I was lucky enough to find a SRT6 engine with the full wiring harness and all sensors, so I built a custom wiring loom with only the necessary sensors that the MOTEC system needs... |
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Originally Posted by MMZ_TimeLord
Nice work Derek!!!
Lookin really good buddy. For the intercooler I'd suggest running soft lines back to the passenger seat area (for balance) and put your coolant reservior there, that way you have easy access to add dry ice or just monitor your temps. I would recommend a minimum three gallon capacity on the reservior. Cheers! Also, when I disassembled the engine, I noticed there is a good 3/4" gap between the charge air cooler and the V in the upper portion of the block, so I am making a insulation blanket that will fit into this gap. (http://www.thermotec.com/) and absorb some of the radiated heat from the engine. I have also hired Gerharf Schruf (Bell Intercoolers) to make a custom heat exchanger that is 3.5" D X 6.5" H X 18" W with 3/4" pipe barb that will fit nicely in front of the radiator ($389). This will be fed by the Johnson Marine Impeller Pump #10-24540-03 that is rated at 6.9 gal per min. and has 3/4" pipe barbs at both ends ($169). Now the plumbing took me a bit of thought, especially after studying the way the OEM was set-up and how prone it is to HEAT SOAK... The OEM intercooler pipes are these puny aluminum, un-insulated tubes and the shared coolant tank is rediculous for serious HP. So, I am having custom 3/4" "heat sink" tube made by Cain Industries (http://www.cainind.com/) that will reduce coolant temperatures by a factor of 12:1 (2- 6' sections $380) Then, for the coolant tank... Skeets Holland is making a custom 1.5 gal. coolant tank with baffled slots to insert four 2" X 6" X 6" blocks of dry ice. The entire cooling system will use alcohol and propylene glycol. ($450) I have not decided where to place the tank yet, but under the hood is definately not the location of choice !!! Your idea is more likely, however, that is where the MOTEC is going, so that is a consideration... Wait until you see my version of the full race CAI for this thing... It won't even run through the engine bay... |
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Originally Posted by Maxwell
i NOTICED THAT THERE IS AN OIL COOLER NEXT TO THE OIL FILTER IN THOSE PICTURES, IS THIS ALSO ON THE srt6 CARS OR WAS THIS AN ACTUAL amg32 MOTOR?
sorry..stupid capslock key!:) |
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Originally Posted by HDDP
That's the SRT6 engine... They all (AMG M112) engines have that silly oil cooler... Another semi-useful part that needs serious upgrading !!!
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call me nuts, but For all this effort your going to, wouldn't it be easier to forget about the supercharger and just bolt in a couple turbos, this should give you more room to fab up an air-cooler, plus you can make more hp for the same amount of airpressure?:confused:
Originally Posted by HDDP
Thanks Jody, it's still a work in progress... I'm doing all the work myself so it's taking much longer than farming it out (TO THE PROFESSIONALS :p )... I have, what I think is a pretty trick set-up for the intercooler / heat exchanger and plumbing... I've ported and polished the intake and outlet of the OEM Garrett charge air cooler and acid washed the core to get all the manufacturing debris out from between the fins ( A BUNCH OF IT)... "MADE IN MEXICO" remember ? I also bored the OEM 5/8" inlet / outlet to 3/4" and fitted them with new brass fittings.
Also, when I disassembled the engine, I noticed there is a good 3/4" gap between the charge air cooler and the V in the upper portion of the block, so I am making a insulation blanket that will fit into this gap. (http://www.thermotec.com/) and absorb some of the radiated heat from the engine. I have also hired Gerharf Schruf (Bell Intercoolers) to make a custom heat exchanger that is 3.5" D X 6.5" H X 18" W with 3/4" pipe barb that will fit nicely in front of the radiator ($389). This will be fed by the Johnson Marine Impeller Pump #10-24540-03 that is rated at 6.9 gal per min. and has 3/4" pipe barbs at both ends ($169). Now the plumbing took me a bit of thought, especially after studying the way the OEM was set-up and how prone it is to HEAT SOAK... The OEM intercooler pipes are these puny aluminum, un-insulated tubes and the shared coolant tank is rediculous for serious HP. So, I am having custom 3/4" "heat sink" tube made by Cain Industries (http://www.cainind.com/) that will reduce coolant temperatures by a factor of 12:1 (2- 6' sections $380) Then, for the coolant tank... Skeets Holland is making a custom 1.5 gal. coolant tank with baffled slots to insert four 2" X 6" X 6" blocks of dry ice. The entire cooling system will use alcohol and propylene glycol. ($450) I have not decided where to place the tank yet, but under the hood is definately not the location of choice !!! Your idea is more likely, however, that is where the MOTEC is going, so that is a consideration... Wait until you see my version of the full race CAI for this thing... It won't even run through the engine bay... |
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Lookin Good! Can't wait to se the final product.:cool:
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HDDP, would you mind not throwing that stuff out? I could use it when I buy the SRT motor from LKQ. I'm being serious. :)
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I sure would like to get that oil cooler assembly if it's a direct bolt on part to the NA motor
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Derek
All I can say is WOW :p What class is that small mod going to put in and against what cars are you going to compete against? And are you planing to bolt it to a manual trans? Keep up the good work A+ |
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Originally Posted by MI1XFIRE
And are you planing to bolt it to a manual trans? Keep up the good work A+
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Originally Posted by Maxwell
can it bolt up to the NA engine or is it a complete part of the block?
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Originally Posted by MI1XFIRE
Derek
All I can say is WOW :p What class is that small mod going to put in and against what cars are you going to compete against? And are you planing to bolt it to a manual trans? Keep up the good work A+ As far as the 6 Spd transmission, I have not dropped my other engine yet to mate the tranny, but from all the conversations I have had with "the pros", the tranny will bolt right up, but needs a beefier clutch like the Spec Stage 4. Let's keep our fingers crossed that those people know what they're talking about and I don't end-up needing major modifications. |
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HDDP carries the banner for us all! LOL
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Originally Posted by MAYAman
HDDP carries the banner for us all! LOL
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Without major retrofit, the only economical way I see to reduce the absorbed heat is to insulate it... Not to mention the PUNY thin walled coolant pipes... I would love to sit here and speculate on what to do, but all I can do is do what I'm doing and see what happens... PS: The exhaust manifold SUCKS TOO !!! |
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Here's what I was talking about with the exhaust ports... They are 1.5" oulet and need some serious honing... These are what they look like before I get my grinder to them...
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