Excessive tappet noise on cold start-up
 

My 2005 Crossfire makes quite a lot of tappet noise on start-up from cold. The noise gradually goes away after about 5 mins (once warmed up) but is this noise normal on the 3.2 V6 engine? Its very noticeable even though my car only has only covered 34,000 miles and is regularly serviced (including oil change).

Any advice would be welcome.

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Moving to Hawaii might help...LOL.

Had similar problem, Oil change and driving it a little more helped.

Cheers.

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It's all good in da hood... just pretend your driving a porsche. :D I still haven't figured it out myself nor have many MBZ mechanics. I've heard people say its related to the timing gear sprocket, it needs to get oiled before the noise goes away, then another theory where the silencing rubber coating on the sprocket has worn away. also if the oil sprayers to the sprocket gets plugged it will make the noise. Then there is the issue of tolerance in the cylinder bore, I know many late model chevy motors with piston slap issues until fully warmed up, none of which are harmful to the engines life. So I just live with it. it only last a couple seconds and then its gone. But I doubt it's related to the valve train.

Also there is a check valve on the driver's side compartment that make a loud ticking sound, completely normal.

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Here's some advice... USE THE SEARCH BUTTON ! OR if you ask another question without using the SEARCH BUTTON we will all ignore your future posts !!! OR we will make serious fun of you, and you'll feel like a MORON... The internet is not NEW, you might be, but the system is not... When you join any forum and have a question, you can use the SEARCH BUTTON !!! Not to make fun of you, but you will probably NEVER have a question about this car that has not been answered before...

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this is his first post go easy.

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Perhaps a mug of hot chocolate would be in order, not aspresso? Go easy! ;)

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Gez, get out of the wrong side of the bed this morning?

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I read your post and thought I should reply.
About 10 years ago I worked for a Chrysler dealership. One of the problems some motors with aluminum block encountered was a thing called piston slap.
This would occur at cold start up then quiet down once warm.
My understanding is that until the rings warmed and expanded, the piston was slapping within the cylinder.
This piston slap sounded more like a knock knock than the click click of a tappet.
A bent rod can increase the contact distance and cause tappet noise.
A motor which has been run low on oil and ran hot can develop noisy tappets among a list of other things.

I'm no mechanic...

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Since it has only 34k is the 3/36 warranty still good? If so get it into the dealer soon, so you can verify the existance of the problem before the warranty expires. There are may possibilities, from chain tensioners, to valve train to piston slap, none of which should be occuring at 34k. If you bought it used, did you have the factory warranty transferred?

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all the m112 engines make this noise, check around the mbz forums, it's normal though it is a little too fast to sound like piston slap.

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The funniest part about this is that the links you supplied do not work.

Searchid's are not kept for very long by the BB system, so the links die after a short while.

One of the hardest things for users to know to search is what keywords will quickly land them on the prior posts. What do you you search for when you don't know exactly what it is called that you are searching for?

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Thanks for the advice guys. I'll check out some of the things you suggested. The engine is peachy when warmed up and I've no other complaints but the cold tapping seems out of place on an engine which has been well maintained, fairly low mileage and hasn't been abused or raced.

As for HDDP's 'advice', well, we all have a bad day I guess. Put it down to male PMS! (only kidding). This was the first time I'd posted a thread on your site, and I don't use forums normally (I find the telephone usually works better and is quicker!), but it's cool. I'll definietly be back however so thanks again for helping a fellow Xfire enthusiast from across the pond. :cool:

Cheers,

Ecosse_Cross

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nvmd, already brought up.

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You're an a******! How the hell did you get to become a moderator with an attitude like that. If that is the way you feel about newbies, then do the whole community a BIG favor and just don't say anything, just STFU! I mean wow, you might think it's funny, but that is absolutely no way to respond to someone's first post. As a moderator you should be fostering a welcoming environment for new folks, not going out of your way to be a troll. I know that are the all knowing GOD of the Crossfire, and believe that we should bow in reverence to your majesty, but seriously, GET OVER YOURSELF!

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you have to understand where HDDP is coming from, he works on Hollywood sets with many arrogant rich bast@rds everyday, and lazy Union slobs, sooner or later it will turn the sweetest person into an A**hole. ;)

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Well, that last time I checked, this ain't Hollywood and the only Arrogant ******* around here is HDDP! Never take your personal problems to work with you. Never take your work problems home with you. If that is in fact the reason for his less than pleasant disposition...

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clicking ticking clatter
usually the lifters, when the oil reaches them.. pumped up the sound goes away ,
but 5 min time frame wow !

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what lifters?

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Mine had a loud tick not the normal benz sound, new engine is in and I hope to get it back in a few days...

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So what ended up being the verdict on your tick to cause a Engine Replacement? I am going into the dealer on monday to have them listen to my tick, jackass kids in the dealer always try to give me a line cause I look young, little do they know I own a european repair shop, but if it is under warranty why should I get my hands dity?

Oh and HDDP needs to chill the frick out, grow up bro. Maybe he feels better about himself now, or feels like a cool guy, who knows what that guys problem is.

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the tappet noise is not from the valve-train, there are a couple things that can make the noise, one is the little electric check valve on the drivers side, the exhaust manifold, timing chain sprocket is not getting oil from the oil sprayer, or the fuel injectors.

You could pick up an automotive stethoscope and trace it out.

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Thanks for the advice guys, I'll check out the possible causes you mentioned. Good news is that the faint/occasional smell of burning oil in the cabin has been cured - a gasket has been replaced under warranty (cam-cover vent gasket I think it was).

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My 2005 with 15k miles and newly changed oil is now 'tapping' erratically at start up. After reading all threads...maybe overfilled? Or valve lifter clatter?
Is there any sort of additive to add to synthetic oil that may reduce this problem without ruining something or other? Old school there were 'valve noise reducers' available at cheapo auto stores.

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Thanks for this...had a feeling additives not the way to go...CFforum much appreciated once again.

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Although not really related, the search function at crossfire forum does not work. Many times I have searched like today, looking for "cold start die" and get one not very good match, but when I take same search to google I get many more answers from this site. Why does this sites search work so poorly?

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The phrase "cold start die" is a poor search term for the internal search engine. It is basically looking for that exact wording some place in the post and unless somebody used broken english its most likely not going to find it. Also its not going to rank the results to determine the best options, its just going to give you the closest match it can find to your phrase. Googles algorithm is far more advanced than what you are going to get from a built in forum search with basic indexing. Just use the built in google search bar at the top of the forums for non descript queries, that's what it is there for.

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I'll try again, but for clarifications sake I did not use quotation marks, I learned not to do that except in certain situations.
Thanks Rick

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Would you demonstrate how well search would have worked for this users issue.

Disregard. I just saw the dates.

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I've been using the wrong one. Who new.

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HOLLY CRAP !!! You only have 15k on your 05, Last summer we hit 120k something on ours.:D Ours Tapes too at start-ups.

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[QUOTE=JustinX;915685]A little clarification here. First, the thread is 6 years old. Two, the talk of lifters and tappets does not apply here. This engine has needle bearing rockers that ride directly on the overhead cams, no lifters, no tappets, it has a finish like a fine swiss watch. What they may be taking as tappet noise is probably the clearance between the rockers and cams.

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[QUOTE=onehundred80;915719]No, I don't think there are any. The rocker roller end rides on the cam, the other end contacts the valve stem. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

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