oxygen sensor problem
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oxygen sensor problem
i hve an 05 limited, its been showing code p1034 and p1035 which is for o2 sensor bank 1 sensor 1. today i just replaced the o2 sensor and erased the codes, yet the check engine comes back with the same code.
any ideas? what else could be wrong? or do i just need to drive it a few days?
thanks for any help
any ideas? what else could be wrong? or do i just need to drive it a few days?
thanks for any help
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Re: oxygen sensor problem
Originally Posted by murtazanooruddin
i hve an 05 limited, its been showing code p1034 and p1035 which is for o2 sensor bank 1 sensor 1. today i just replaced the o2 sensor and erased the codes, yet the check engine comes back with the same code.
any ideas? what else could be wrong? or do i just need to drive it a few days?
thanks for any help
any ideas? what else could be wrong? or do i just need to drive it a few days?
thanks for any help
Section 25 page 4
OXYGEN SENSOR (O2S) MONITOR
DESCRIPTION -
Effective control of exhaust emissions is achieved by an oxygen feedback system. The most
important element of the feedback system is the O2S. The O2S is located in the exhaust path. Once it reaches
operating temperature 300° to 350°C (572° to 662°F), the sensor generates a voltage that is inversely proportional
to the amount of oxygen in the exhaust. When there is a large amount of oxygen in the exhaust caused by a lean
condition, misfire or exhaust leak, the sensor produces a low voltage, below 450mV. When the oxygen content is
lower, caused by a rich condition, the sensor produces a higher voltage, above 450mV.
The information obtained by the sensor is used to calculate the fuel injector pulse width. The PCM is programmed
to maintain the optimum air/fuel ratio. At this mixture ratio, the catalyst works best to remove hydrocarbons (HC),
carbon monoxide (CO) and nitrous oxide (NOx) from the exhaust.
important element of the feedback system is the O2S. The O2S is located in the exhaust path. Once it reaches
operating temperature 300° to 350°C (572° to 662°F), the sensor generates a voltage that is inversely proportional
to the amount of oxygen in the exhaust. When there is a large amount of oxygen in the exhaust caused by a lean
condition, misfire or exhaust leak, the sensor produces a low voltage, below 450mV. When the oxygen content is
lower, caused by a rich condition, the sensor produces a higher voltage, above 450mV.
The information obtained by the sensor is used to calculate the fuel injector pulse width. The PCM is programmed
to maintain the optimum air/fuel ratio. At this mixture ratio, the catalyst works best to remove hydrocarbons (HC),
carbon monoxide (CO) and nitrous oxide (NOx) from the exhaust.
The O2S is also the main sensing element for the EGR, Purge System, and Catalyst and Fuel Monitors.
The O2S may fail in any or all of the following manners:
²
Slow response rate (Big Slope)
²
Reduced output voltage (Half Cycle)
²
Heater Performance
²
Dynamic shift
²
Shorted or open circuits
Slow Response Rate (Big Slope) -
Response rate is the time required for the sensor to switch from lean to rich
signal output once it is exposed to a richer than optimum air/fuel mixture or vice versa. As the PCM adjusts the
air/fuel ratio, the sensor must be able to rapidly detect the change. As the sensor ages, it could take longer to detect
the changes in the oxygen content of the exhaust gas. The rate of change that an oxygen sensor experiences is
called ’Big Slope’. The PCM checks the oxygen sensor voltage in increments of a few milliseconds.
signal output once it is exposed to a richer than optimum air/fuel mixture or vice versa. As the PCM adjusts the
air/fuel ratio, the sensor must be able to rapidly detect the change. As the sensor ages, it could take longer to detect
the changes in the oxygen content of the exhaust gas. The rate of change that an oxygen sensor experiences is
called ’Big Slope’. The PCM checks the oxygen sensor voltage in increments of a few milliseconds.
Reduced Output Voltage (Half Cycle) -
The output voltage of the O2S ranges from 0 to 1 volt. A good sensor can
easily generate any output voltage in this range as it is exposed to different concentrations of oxygen. To detect a
shift in the air/fuel mixture (lean or rich), the output voltage has to change beyond a threshold value. A malfunctioning
sensor could have difficulty changing beyond the threshold value. Many times, the condition is only temporary
and the sensor will recover. Under normal conditions, the voltage signal surpasses the threshold and a counter
is incremented by one. This is called the Half Cycle Counter.
easily generate any output voltage in this range as it is exposed to different concentrations of oxygen. To detect a
shift in the air/fuel mixture (lean or rich), the output voltage has to change beyond a threshold value. A malfunctioning
sensor could have difficulty changing beyond the threshold value. Many times, the condition is only temporary
and the sensor will recover. Under normal conditions, the voltage signal surpasses the threshold and a counter
is incremented by one. This is called the Half Cycle Counter.
OPERATION -
As the Oxygen Sensor signal switches, the PCM monitors the half cycle and big slope signals from
the oxygen sensor. If during the test neither counter reaches a predetermined value, a malfunction is entered and a
Freeze Frame is stored. Only one counter reaching its predetermined value is needed for the monitor to pass.
The Oxygen Sensor Signal Monitor is a 2 trip monitor that is tested only once per trip. When the Oxygen Sensor
fails the test in two consecutive trips, the MIL is illuminated and a DTC is set. The MIL is extinguished when the
Oxygen Sensor monitor passes in three consecutive trips. The DTC is erased from memory after 40 consecutive
the oxygen sensor. If during the test neither counter reaches a predetermined value, a malfunction is entered and a
Freeze Frame is stored. Only one counter reaching its predetermined value is needed for the monitor to pass.
The Oxygen Sensor Signal Monitor is a 2 trip monitor that is tested only once per trip. When the Oxygen Sensor
fails the test in two consecutive trips, the MIL is illuminated and a DTC is set. The MIL is extinguished when the
Oxygen Sensor monitor passes in three consecutive trips. The DTC is erased from memory after 40 consecutive
warm-up cycles without test failure.
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Re: oxygen sensor problem
ok heres the update on that, i tried to swap it out to bank 2 and it didnt give me a code anymore. im guessing bank 2 sensor was the one that was gone. but my only question is that if that is the case why was it showing bank 1 sensor 1 code? but its working fine so thanks for the help.
Re: oxygen sensor problem
so which side is which? bank 1 being driver side and 2 being passenger?
i've currently got P2096 @ bank 1 post Cat. Bought a Bosch universal kit. Just want to be sure before climbing under to change things out.
i've currently got P2096 @ bank 1 post Cat. Bought a Bosch universal kit. Just want to be sure before climbing under to change things out.
thanks everyone
Re: oxygen sensor problem
i've replaced both downstream sensors. still getting P2096. being its reporting the mixture is too lean, that might also suggest a messed up vacuum hose somewhere. im currently going through the manual and trying to map out the hose routes so i can check there condition. would anyone happen to have a handy photo pointing out the hoses by any chance? 
if not, i will figure it out and post something for others to reference.
if not, i will figure it out and post something for others to reference.
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Re: oxygen sensor problem
Originally Posted by the.Santorini
i've replaced both downstream sensors. still getting P2096. being its reporting the mixture is too lean, that might also suggest a messed up vacuum hose somewhere. im currently going through the manual and trying to map out the hose routes so i can check there condition. would anyone happen to have a handy photo pointing out the hoses by any chance? if not, i will figure it out and post something for others to reference.
if not, i will figure it out and post something for others to reference.Or is there something wrong with the MAF sensor?
Are the vacuum lines in this area loose or broken?
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Re: oxygen sensor problem
I would monitor the voltage side to side and see what you got. Me Id do the plugs, they are involved with the O2 readings, just went thru the Durango hemi for this ......Weekend Woody
DOing the wavetec................yippie..
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Re: oxygen sensor problem
I changed the plugs @ 100k so it shouldnt be them. Also, the throttle body was cleaned in late 2010. I would think this issue would have popped up sooner if it was in that area.
I do notice the small hose going between the air valves on the front top of the engine looks like its peeling and if I rub my fingers on it, they get a lot of black residue and little flakes come off the edges. If I didnt know any better, I would say this hose is rotted.. Very tiny holes or cracks causing small enough of a leak to trigger the CEL? Here is a pic, the battery on my camera just died so I will retake if these aren't clear enough. Fact is that I'm running lean, so that might suggest a vacuum hose leak somewhere, possibly what I am showing here? Anyone know what the small hose between the air valves that splits off to the air pump switch-over solenoid actually does? Is that for measurement?
I do notice the small hose going between the air valves on the front top of the engine looks like its peeling and if I rub my fingers on it, they get a lot of black residue and little flakes come off the edges. If I didnt know any better, I would say this hose is rotted.. Very tiny holes or cracks causing small enough of a leak to trigger the CEL? Here is a pic, the battery on my camera just died so I will retake if these aren't clear enough. Fact is that I'm running lean, so that might suggest a vacuum hose leak somewhere, possibly what I am showing here? Anyone know what the small hose between the air valves that splits off to the air pump switch-over solenoid actually does? Is that for measurement?
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