Ok, so I just got pulled over this morning IN MY OWN APARTMENT COMPLEX for not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign IN MY OWN APARTMENT COMPLEX and was ticketed.

In Texas I know that if you are on private property they cannot issue you a ticket for a stop sign on private property being as the stop sign is considered also private, not public property. I wanted to know how the laws were around the Chicago area or Illinois in general.

That mean spirited lady ruined my Friday.

 

Bummer! What did she write on the ticket for street names if it's not on public streets?

 

Z.:

(625 ILCS 5/11‑302) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11‑302)
Sec. 11‑302. Authority to designate through highway and stop and yield intersections.
(a) The Department with reference to State highways under its jurisdiction, and local authorities with reference to other highways under their jurisdiction, may designate through highways and erect stop signs or yield signs at specified entrances thereto, or may designate any intersection as a stop intersection or as a yield intersection and erect stop signs or yield signs at one or more entrances to such intersection. Designation of through highways and stop or yield intersections and the erection of stop signs or yield signs on township or road district roads are subject to the written approval of the county engineer or superintendent of highways.
(b) Every stop sign and yield sign shall conform to the State Manual and Specifications and shall be located as near as practicable to the nearest line of the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if there is no crosswalk, then as close as practicable to the nearest line of the intersecting roadway.
(c) The Department may in its discretion and when traffic conditions warrant such action give preference to traffic upon any of the State highways under its jurisdiction over traffic crossing or entering such highway by erecting appropriate traffic control devices.
(Source: P.A. 93‑177, eff. 7‑11‑03.)

Excerpt from:

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs...ehicle+Code%2E

See if all the rules were met in the construction of and placement of the sign?

Best of luck!

 

I will ask a cop friend of mine.

 

I appreciate all the help. It just bugs the ever living crap out of me, that cops are more worried about sitting on private property watching a stop sign (that the taxpayer dollars don't even pay for them to do) instead of on the streets cracking down on criminals. That's where they should be instead of cracking down on people late to work. AND IN THEIR OWN APARTMENT COMPLEX. I'm erked.

Off my soapbox...

My $.02, well actually my $75.00.

 

Who luvs ya baby.......

 

Actually, I'm not 100% sure the rule would not apply here in TX. If I'm in a big mall parking lot with stop signs and somebody ran one and hit me, I would want them at fault.

I know for a fact that if you are driving on private property (even your own driveway) without a seat belt you can be ticketed. I learned that in a defensive driving class.

 

I forget how it is worded, but an accident is a different classification of a moving violation which can be ticketed on private property... i don't remember the specifics. i know that if you blow a stop sign that is not registered with the county/state then you are off the hook. Look on the back of stop signs if there is no white sticker with registration then it is not a legal stop sign. haha.

 

Civilly they should be responsible, but I don't think they should get a traffic citation for it as it was on private property.

 

If I understand correctly there needs to be an agreement between the local athorities and the property owner for a ticket to issued on private property.

 

As long as your done with your soapbox, let me use it for a minute. Although your apartment complex is privately owned, the parking lot is used by the public at large so you CAN be given a citation.
I know your mad for getting a ticket, but don't take it out on the officer for doing his job. Most likely he was given the assignment as a result of complaints from citizens. You just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Put the shoe on the other foot for a second. Someone almost hits you or your child in your complex and you call the police for action. You would be on here complaining that nothing was done.
By the way, if someone was driving drunk through your complex, would you want them arrested? I'm sure you would.
In TN. you can speed or drive drunk on YOUR OWN property as much as you want, you just can"t do it on MINE.
Sorry in advance if I offended you, I'm just trying to get you to see it from another perspective.

 

no offense taken. I think my biggest thing was that she accused me of not slowing down at all... I did, I slowed to make sure there were no geese/ducks (2500/500 fine for hitting one) or more importantly people in the way... I just didnt "hiccup" the car... oh well. i'll pay and move on. i repsect the law its just upsetting a bit.

 

actually, CALL911 is correct in his explanation, but, not all stop signs on private property are LEGAL...after 30 yrs in law enforcement (on the road), I now have security responsibilities for our local county owned hospital...the signs on our property do NOT meet the standards set by local, state ordinances, so even though I am a Deputy Sheriff, I can't ticket anyone LEGALLY...I could write them, they might pay, but if contested, I will lose...so, it is worth checking out...I don't mind enforcing the law, but there if a responsibility to make sure the law is properly in place to begin with. With that said, your driving habits have to change as well, if you rolled through that one, then I am sure you are in the habit of doing at legal stop signs as well....with that said, if you pulled out in front of me, stop sign or not, I would or could cite you for failure to yield...which is about the same as diregarding a stop sign...good luck

 

In Royal Oak MI the parking lot owner has to sign an agreement with the local PD to "allow" them to watch their lot, which means write tickets, which means $$$$. The owner who explained it to us said he didn't understand the practical result of signing the paper was the parking officer would come by and write out tickets then leave. What he wanted was help with the valets who took over his lot without permission then flatly refused to leave. They blocked him from his own trucks. The night we learned this was shortly after he had signed. The valets were running back and forth, we parked there and got ticketed along with all of the valet parked cars. I've always wondered that the valets threw the tickets in the trash before returning the poor persons car. Anyway neither here nor there.
One other point is if someone damaged your car, say pushed a wagon into it while you were stopped at that stop sign would that officer become involved?

 

I can only speak for IN...if I am called to private lot, we see that ins info is exchanged, simple report, NOT an accident report...now, if no ins info is provided, I can cite for that, even tow car if necessary, but that very seldom happens...if the damage is over $1000, then we will issue state forms to be filled out by each person involved, and mailed in to BMV within 10 days to make sure drivers ins follows up...so in simple words, it is a civil matter on private property, unless ins doesn't come thru

 

I got a ticket here in LA last year for making a left turn out of a fast food drive way, when there was a sign posted at the end of the driveway that stated no left turn. Sign was on private property and I could tell the sign was not an "official state or city" issued sign. I'am sure the bike officer was sitting in the parking lot waiting for someone to make a left turn, against the posted sign. When I got the ticket, I kindly reminded the officer that this was not a state or city issued no left turn sign, that the property owner had a sign made somewhere, and that the officer knew that this would not hold up in court. It didn't, ticket dismissed. On one of my vacation weeks last year, I went to a council meeting to discuss this issue with the city, signed has since been removed.

This past month I got a parking ticket at one of the local beaches. Put money in the meter, but got a ticket. Going to fight that one too. I will try to "paint" a picture here with words. I have photos of the meter situation on wife's phone but have not downloaded. First parking spot is a motorcylce spot with meter, to the right of that is a car spot, with a meter directly in front of the drivers side. Put my money in that meter, but just to the right of that meter is another meter, directly in front of the passenger side that appartently serves the spot I was in and the spot to the right of the parking spot to where I was parked. Didn't see that meter till after the fact, (ticket). This other meter had an arrow pointing to the right and an arrow pointing to the left, where I was parked. My question is what was the meter for that I put money into. Like I stated earlier, the motorcycle spot had its own meter, and it looks like my spot had two meter's, about 4 feet apart. I did my due diligence and put money in what I thought was my meter. If I was wrong, then this meter serves no purpose, I should have money in the meter to the right, 4 feet away, and this meter I put money in should me removed as it serves no purpose.

 

Don't just pay, ask for driving school and complete it on line. Still pay but no violation on the driving record. Allways beat the first one!!

 

Radar Detector Time!

My Valentine One has protected me from the local Sheriffs (who I am VERY pleased with, nice bunch of guys/girls) who get lots of calls to police local roads for speeders (I live right by a high school in MN, so we have lots of parents concerned about teenagers driving 35-40mph in a 25mph zone.) I can usually catch their Ka radars around corners before they even see me. I just check my speed and coast by at 5 under the legal limit