I agree, we need a new forum section where everyone can talk **** on each other so that we can keep it out of the serious discussions, call it the "FLAME ROOM" or something to that effect.

Where and who do I talk to about proposing new ideas to the mods?

 

Watch out for those soapboxes, they just kind of sneak up behind you.

To get things back on track, I think I personally would not be interested in a turbo set-up.

 

this thread is a great example of why we need forum moderator. i wish mighty would come back just to give nominate more moderators.

i love the twin turbo idea, i just need to know the parts that are coming in the package. the EXACT parts, not an idea or a guess, exact... this includes fueling, injectors types of turbos etc...

 

I don't see why a moderator would have to do a thing here. There was no outrageous name calling or personal attacks, just shared viewpoints on certain matters. If a debate or disagreement is too intense for most on this forum, I would say lighten up.

 

I agree 100% with what x'ed said two posts up. I am interested in this turbo set up and i have been waiting for something like this, but i'm not willing to say i commit until I know exactly what is in the kit, and not to be rude, but i've gotten my hopes up before and things always seem to fall through. However if this is the real deal, and your car gets all the bugs worked out, then great, i would love to add this to my car... but until then, i'll just be keeping an eye on your progress.

 

stay on topic...that's all i am saying.

 

If you guys want a twin turbo setup just go for it, by the time they figure out the bugs in their turbo kit, 2 years will have passed by. I doubt it will be smog legal when they figure out how to trick the ECU, but I could be wrong.

You need to find yourselves a good tuning garage, and have them do it for you, or else do it your self. It's alot of work and it will cost more than $2,500 to put it together for our cars.
1st, you need to fab up an intake, which will take a bit of time and engineering,
2nd, you have to fab up some exhaust headers, and blow off valve,
3rd, mount your turbos, in a safe place so there is no fire risk.
4th, mount you intercooler,
5th, connect all the plumbing,
6th, where are you installing the air flow meter? and will all the stock xf sensors operate under pressure correctly? more research time.
7th, might need a heavy-duty clutch to handle the power.
8th, either a stand alone ECU or piggy back computer
9th, getting it drivable, then dyno tuning.
10th, passing smog.
11th, reliability testing.
12th, pay your labor bills.

And then how long do you expect this set up to last, on a N/A block?
13th, new forged crank from SRT6
14th, SRT pistons and rods. and maybe srt cams?
15th, pay more bills
16th, now you need a higher flowing exhaust..
and the list grows longer...

before you guys know it you just dropped $15,000 - $20,000 on your twin turbo kit. this just doesn't seem practical to me.

IMOP, sell your Limited XF, take that money and put it down on the SRT6 and then start from there and see if you still feel like spending money for modifications. Sorry to be a buzz kill but I'm just looking at reality, and a $2,500 twin turbo kit sounds like a nice fantasy..

Otherwise spend your money on the Kleenman kit and have them do the work. they already did all the engineering why waste your time trying to figure it all out yourself?

 

Just what is the cost, ball park, for an SRT-6 ECU? New or refurb., anyone!

 

srt6 ECU will probably run as much as an aftermarket ECU, not cheap. I doubt anyone refurbishes this part.

 

I take it no one here has ever added boost or added more boost then stock to a car before?
Because if so, they would know that you do not have to get the ECU reprogrammed or do a stand alone ECU.
All you have to do is simply add a piggyback computer that fools the stock ECU into thinking nothing is happening. They do this by intercepting the signals of the sensors and change them so the stock ECU thinks everything is normal.
This piggyback computer would also be responsible for adding the needed fuel via secondary fuel injectors or bigger replacement injectors, whenever boost is present.
Most piggybacks can be adjusted by the user via laptops or their own screen if they have one. Adjusting can be done on the dyno to monitor the air/fuel ratio, or you can add a wide-band air/fuel ratio gauge to the car and make adjustments on the street.

My previous car (SRT4) had a much bigger turbo along with a bigger fuel pump, bigger injectors and so on.
It had a piggyback computer added to the stock ECU. It monitored everything, like the throttle position sensor, map sensor, rpms, injector duty cycle, air/fuel ratio via the add on wide-band gauge and so on.
It also controlled the bigger injectors that replaced the stock ones, so the car would run normal, all while fooling the stock ECU.
It could record and play back "runs" for tuning, so you could look and see what your air/fuel ratio was at any given point of the rpm range, see how much boost you were pushing at that point and also see the injector duty cycle to know if you have more fuel available.

Anyway, all this can be done on just about ANY car with one of these types of computers. Its just a matter of time getting it working and tuning it all.
I loved the 24 psi of boost I was pushing in my SRT4, but it seemed I was always tweaking with it, which was one of the reasons I sold the car.
I just lost interest in messing with it all the time and wanted something simple again, and bought the SRT-6.

What I cant believe is how long this thread is about a twin turbo kit that still isnt proven to even exist, and yet he wants people to commit?
If it really is all built, just waiting for install, where are the pics?
Where are the specs?

 

ha, you must have spent time and srtforums.com, and you didn't learn to do a search? i guarantee alot of people here no more about the car than you think you do. this ecu isn't as easy as you think it is.

 

Yeah, spent about 2 1/2 years there, had about $10k dumped into my SRT4 and did all the work myself.
I'll admit I don't know everything about this car yet, but I would assume that it uses sensors just like any gasoline engine in order to tell the ECU what's going on. Or is it German magic and doesn't use typical sensors?
Typically when adding boost to an engine, you just need to do three things...
1. Hide the boost from the stock ECU.
2. Add in the extra fuel when boosting.
3. Tune the air/fuel ratio with a wide-band A/F gauge.
Oh yeah, and don't add too much boost and blow it up.

Anyway, is there even a twin turbo kit built yet?
If so, has anyone actually seen it, or seen pictures of it?
Until then, its all just a bunch dream talk if you ask me...

 

I build a Telematics Computer for my SRT-6 that has Bluetooth Navigation, DVD playback/burner, Ipod integration, and rear camera, much more, WIFI/(CDMA EV-DO). I was wondering if there is Win XP software and what standard interface to the stock ECU that would allow me to have access through this computer?

 

ENOUGH!!!

I love how this has turned into a forum for arguing about headers, ecu's and peoples age...

1st - No kidding it would take two years to work out all the bugs, how long do you think I've been working on this? Read the initial post bud, I've been at it for the last two years and we are nearing completion, that's why NOW I'm involving you instead of having posted this two years ago.

2nd - I don't want you guys to sign your damned life away on this, as I've said MANY TIMES NOW to you (who evidently don't bother to read what has been posted before responding) I am merely asking who is INTERESTED here and would be willing to purchase IF a fully operational kit was produced with in the price range here.

3rd - I never said the kit would be $2,500. I said it would RANGE from $2,500 to $4,000 but that $2,500 was my goal.

4th - DynamicS, I do realize your concerns here. We're not building a 1,200 hp Supra though bud, we're running 5-6 lbs of boost through two VERY SMALL turbochargers. I've already gone over everything you listed for the last two years. This kit will come with everything needed to build a daily driven, twin turbo Crossfire with an engine tuned within the parameters that will ensure a long life for it.

5th - No matter how you look at the situation, yes a twin turbo setup on any car will diminish engine life. Even on stock cars. This is the price you pay for having a rare, unique car that tears EVO's apart on your lunch break runs. I am merely trying to produce a feasible kit that will be fairly simple and fairly cheap. The kit itself, while warrantied to an extent, WILL OF COURSE VOID THE WARRANTY ON YOUR CROSSFIRE. This is something you should all know through common sense that just like the Crossfire itself, the kit is another money pit. But you all have been asking for it, and now that you have you're too worried about your wallets. I'm saving your wallets more than you could ever hope for in the first place, and giving you the biggest hp boost you could have for the money BY FAR.

6th - No, the turbo setup will not take two years to complete, as I said before (once again, read what I've written before you respond DynamicS), we are looking at completing this in sixty days or less. I am still in the process of building a website (as I've also written before) with all of the products used and specs, along with photos. As soon as I have that up and running (1 - 2 weeks) I will let you all know and then I'll prepare myself for the onslaught of bit*hing and complaining.

 

Ok then, post some pix of what you guys built, let's see some of the parts you have installed so far.

 

as i stated i am interested...now i'm waiting.

 

what he said...

 

Where do I sign up for one?

 

...sorry... but...

if you build it... we will come...


I couldn't resist.

 

what ever happened to this thread, seems it died out.