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TVT_DESIGN 11-12-2008 04:39 PM

Mercedes Air Box W/CAI
 
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We just finished up a customer's car (C-class) and was able to basically replace the intake tubes and keep the stock CAI induction.

Is there any interest in this for the Crossfire?

I would suggest upgrading to the MB box if so as the flow is almost double the Crossfire box.

Below are some pics.

amick6534 11-12-2008 05:22 PM

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I have the MB cover what would be needed for conversion?

TVT_DESIGN 11-12-2008 05:46 PM

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I'll get the pipes fitted up to my car with the MB box.

Cost will be around 75.00 for a bolt on app.

deloreanbiker 11-12-2008 05:58 PM

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I, too, have the MB box on my Ltd Coupe. Anywhere near the price you are quoting and I'll get on board.

Alabaster04 11-12-2008 07:00 PM

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Would this setup work with the Stock Crossfire air box as well? $75, I'm on board!

delornut 11-13-2008 07:25 AM

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I have the MB air box as well and for this price I want one too.

Bruce

amick6534 11-13-2008 10:36 AM

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Anthony, you say that the flow is almost double. So with your new tubes how would this measure up to say the needwings cai? Thanks!

Isellthem 11-13-2008 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by amick6534
Anthony, you say that the flow is almost double. So with your new tubes how would this measure up to say the needwings cai? Thanks!

What he said! The MB airbox flows almost twice as well as the oem Crossfire? I thought below the surface they were pretty much the same.

Kit Fox 11-13-2008 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Alabaster04
Would this setup work with the Stock Crossfire air box as well? $75, I'm on board!

Ditto, interested too, I like the dual intake setup much more then single intake.

lesr 11-13-2008 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TVT_DESIGN
We just finished up a customer's car (C-class) and was able to basically replace the intake tubes and keep the stock CAI induction.

Is there any interest in this for the Crossfire?

I would suggest upgrading to the MB box if so as the flow is almost double the Crossfire box.

Below are some pics.

Can you give me an idea what the cost would be for this mod including a MB Box
Looks ideal to me,:cool:

TVT_DESIGN 11-13-2008 02:54 PM

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The filter area and tube diameter of the MB box is substantially larger then the Crossfire.

I'll post pics of the two pieces next to each other.

I'll also get total pricing after tomorrow's dyno session. No point in a price if we don't get good results...

FP 11-13-2008 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TVT_DESIGN
The filter area and tube diameter of the MB box is substantially larger then the Crossfire.

This is true. I could not use the XF tubes on my MB box. I had to get larger ones.

Isellthem 11-13-2008 04:49 PM

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FP, I put an 320 SLK air box on my car and the tubes from the grill fit like oem. Which air box did you put on your car?

FP 11-13-2008 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Isellthem
FP, I put an 320 SLK air box on my car and the tubes from the grill fit like oem. Which air box did you put on your car?

I have a larger box that's not the SLK320. I think it's from the smaller V8. The pic on the first post is not from an SLK, and that's the one I have.

deloreanbiker 11-13-2008 05:33 PM

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FP - the MB airbox have on my 06 coupe looks identical to that in the TVT post and identical to yours except for the bling ( which I emailed you about ;-) ). My stock tubes also fit perfectly. Can you check yours and give a stock #???

Thanks.

TVT_DESIGN 11-13-2008 06:30 PM

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I believe the SLK320 box is the same size as the Crossfire box, but the C class box is substantially larger.


I think with the KN filters, intake tubes, and a gutted box we may surpass CAI numbers. There is a ton of flow through this box now.

JimmySkullz 11-13-2008 08:58 PM

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Let me know the price for the M.B. box and tubes too..

TVT_DESIGN 11-14-2008 01:34 PM

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We picked up 7 RWHP on a 2.6L. This is with the MB airbox, KN filters, and modded tubes.

I would expect another 3-5 on our 3.2L motors.

CAIs usually record 8-12 RWHP, so this is a very good alternative.

deloreanbiker 11-14-2008 02:15 PM

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Okay - let me try again. Bought my MB airbox over the net and it appears to be identical to TVT's. I admit that there is a very slight difference between the fit of the tubes on the Xfire box and on the MB box I have, but nothing major. The tubes do fit, just have to take a moment or two in attaching them.That would seem to indicate that I have an SLK320 airbox, but I'd like to know for sure.

Anybody got a part number on the TVT or FP MB airbox????

TVT_DESIGN 11-14-2008 02:38 PM

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SLK320 is: 1120900501
C320: 1120901101

Siginificant differences in flow.

FP 11-14-2008 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by deloreanbiker
Okay - let me try again. Bought my MB airbox over the net and it appears to be identical to TVT's. I admit that there is a very slight difference between the fit of the tubes on the Xfire box and on the MB box I have, but nothing major. The tubes do fit, just have to take a moment or two in attaching them.That would seem to indicate that I have an SLK320 airbox, but I'd like to know for sure.

Anybody got a part number on the TVT or FP MB airbox????

I'll take the cover off tomorrow and check the numbers. Is your cover a two piece cover? Mine is.
Look at these pics. The one on the left is what I have, the other is from an SLK. They look very similar but if you look close you can see the one on the left is bigger.

Skyshadow 11-15-2008 06:10 AM

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I'm totally on board with this product. Just waiting for the dyno and pricing.

BlackBeauty 11-15-2008 08:39 AM

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TVT!!! You could probably benefit from purchasing a RENNTech C class Air Box and Disecting and making one like it. They claim 15-20 RWHP but when i inquire them about it they would not sell it for crossfire use cause they could not guarantee fitment. But it is 3/4" taller and they built a ram air setup into it. And it is Pretty CarbonFiber... Just an idea.... maybe you could try cutting the c class airbox up and putting spacers in it to get more volume in the box.

Just some ideas!

deloreanbiker 11-15-2008 08:40 AM

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FP - mine is not two pieces! Crap! Guess this might mean I'll have to get another. Gee, then I'll have 3 airboxes - one Xfire and two MB - maybe I've just found anew collector hobby;)

JHTJ 11-15-2008 08:42 AM

Re: Mercedes Air Box W/CAI
 

Originally Posted by TVT_DESIGN
We just finished up a customer's car (C-class) and was able to basically replace the intake tubes and keep the stock CAI induction.

Is there any interest in this for the Crossfire?

I would suggest upgrading to the MB box if so as the flow is almost double the Crossfire box.

Below are some pics.

I'd be interested in a bolt on kit, any way you could package the MB box with it? Cost?

TVT_DESIGN 11-15-2008 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBeauty
TVT!!! You could probably benefit from purchasing a RENNTech C class Air Box and Disecting and making one like it. They claim 15-20 RWHP but when i inquire them about it they would not sell it for crossfire use cause they could not guarantee fitment. But it is 3/4" taller and they built a ram air setup into it. And it is Pretty CarbonFiber... Just an idea.... maybe you could try cutting the c class airbox up and putting spacers in it to get more volume in the box.

Just some ideas!

I've seen one in person and it's nothing special. Plus I've yet to see a dyno backing those results. And the steep price tag is ridiculous.

FP 11-15-2008 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by deloreanbiker
FP - mine is not two pieces! Crap! Guess this might mean I'll have to get another. Gee, then I'll have 3 airboxes - one Xfire and two MB - maybe I've just found anew collector hobby;)

I'm sure you can sell the XF and current MB box here on the forum.

Skyshadow 11-15-2008 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TVT_DESIGN
I've seen one in person and it's nothing special. Plus I've yet to see a dyno backing those results. And the steep price tag is ridiculous.

Yeah, there is no way I would pay the 2G's that Renntech wants for that intake.

CrazyInBlack 11-16-2008 07:06 AM

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I thought most CAI (and other intake mods) were hard to confirm on a dyno due to not being "real world"? I mean gains could be seen but it would be hard to say 100% without real wind and airflow. Even with the fan in front of the car the fan does not speed up when the car does, etc.

BlackBeauty 11-16-2008 07:44 AM

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i am not saying to make it that expensive but just saying that they re did the inside and gave it even more volume. just something to look into. i would do it but the only way to get to an awd dyno is kansas city which is 4 hours away. Just some ideas. It seems like to me that the more volume you have the better the gains are.

TVT_DESIGN 11-16-2008 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyInBlack
I thought most CAI (and other intake mods) were hard to confirm on a dyno due to not being "real world"? I mean gains could be seen but it would be hard to say 100% without real wind and airflow. Even with the fan in front of the car the fan does not speed up when the car does, etc.

I know we've posted 8 RWHP with our CAI on a dyno and Needswings has done the same. That alone shows how restrictive the stock intake is. With a ram air set-up, at speed tests would show better results.


As for the volume, the C320 airbox is a good 50% increase in volume and probably more then enough for these engines.

With a new MB cover, intake tubes, and KN filters we're looking around the 350.00 mark. I'll shoot over to MB tomorrow and confirm our wholesale price and the discount for quantity.

I'd expect this set-up to pick up 8RWHP (which seems to be the most for an intake set-up) and close to 15RWTQ. This will pretty much beat the current CAI offerings and look extremely clean.

Skyshadow 11-16-2008 10:54 PM

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350? And we get the better intake and MB cover? Put me on the list.

TVT_DESIGN 11-18-2008 07:48 PM

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Once this is all finished and posted up it is being offered as a alternative to the CAI in the second TVT265 Group Buy.

TVT_DESIGN 11-19-2008 06:40 AM

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Ok everything fits up, and uses the same pipes as the C-class.

Cost for the pipes, filters, and Box is going to be $395.00 shipped. THe box will come gutted with filters installed and ready to go.

Isellthem 11-19-2008 07:31 AM

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Okay,
Just to be clear on this. For $395.00 we get a C Class air box which is larger and better flowing then a 320 SLK air box that is currently on my car. The box will be gutted and have filters, OEM or K&N? The tubes to the grill will be the same pollished or chrome tubes that are in the earlier pics in this thread? All with shipping included, Correct?

TVT_DESIGN 11-19-2008 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Isellthem
Okay,
Just to be clear on this. For $395.00 we get a C Class air box which is larger and better flowing then a 320 SLK air box that is currently on my car. The box will be gutted and have filters, OEM or K&N? The tubes to the grill will be the same pollished or chrome tubes that are in the earlier pics in this thread? All with shipping included, Correct?

As long as you're in the USA, then yes.

lesr 11-19-2008 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TVT_DESIGN
As long as you're in the USA, then yes.


And if you are in Canada ??
I am making the assumption that any cost difference ,other than rate of exchange, would be for shipping- ?

deloreanbiker 11-19-2008 10:44 AM

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TVT - any place where this larger MB irbox is too close to hoses or wiring? And, now that you have fitted the system into your Xfire, can we see a couple of pix? Thanks!

Isellthem 11-19-2008 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TVT_DESIGN
As long as you're in the USA, then yes.

Okay, so the filters will be OEM paper???? If yes, I will want to purchase K&N panel filters. Would I order them for a C320? . . if so what year range or model #? If no, what year and model MB would I need them for? Sorry to be a pest, but I have a 320 SLK air box that looks nice but provides no real benifit. I also have a 3.2 litre MB engine cover to use with a CAI but it's the one with the oil filter hole that doesn't quite line up. I just want to make sure I get it right this time around. Thanks ahead of time.

TVT_DESIGN 11-19-2008 01:25 PM

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Filters installed will be KN filters and we'll include the OEM paper if you want, for $25.00 extra.


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