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Old Jun 10, 2004 | 05:12 AM
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The Merc SLK AMG setup will slot straight on. This is certainly a setup I will be looking at in the very near future.

This also comes with braided lines that will improve the pedal feel
 
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Old Jun 10, 2004 | 08:34 AM
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Steal Braided Brake Lines will increase pedal pressure and get rid of that MUSHY pedal feel.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2004 | 11:07 AM
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Hey Lord! do you know how I would go about looking into buying a AMG setup for the SLK 320 ? Cuz I've been searching on google and wow... not finding anything really except replacement parts... should i just call a local Merc dealer?
 
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Old Jun 10, 2004 | 11:26 AM
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Boba - I am talking to a Merc dealer over here in the UK. They seem very helpful at the moment, and even commented on how close the Xfire is to the SLK

I am trying to find somewhere that may do the parts cheaper like a specialist parts place, we have one called German and Swedish in the UK that is cheaper than the main dealers.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2004 | 11:28 AM
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I would talk to Randy @ the Brake warehouse(800-814-0702)they sell almost all brake parts available!And he is on the east coast.I got kevlar pads just fronts ,very happy!they sell Brembo,etc.etc.for you roadster guys on wind check out windbaffle.com 0r call 888-4no-wind.Both these i found in Autoweek mag.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2004 | 12:45 PM
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Ahh! thanks for the info!! I'll try giving them a call later on and see what they say for a price on a AMG braking system or other higher performance brakes!

Thanks again!
 
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Old Jun 11, 2004 | 10:59 AM
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Braided lines info for Bobba

http://www.formymercedes.com/mb_resu...ded+Brakelines
 
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Old Jun 11, 2004 | 11:00 AM
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Alittle more aswell mate ...

http://www.formymercedes.com/mb_resu...catalog=SLK320
 
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Old Jun 11, 2004 | 11:48 AM
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I'm gonna have to take a cold shower after see all those new brake parts!!! lol

So I know what the new brake lines will do! I'll order those today most likely but first what does "Cross-Hatch smoothed friction surfaces to promote bedding-in.... " ... is it for heat? also will these make the brakes stop better? or just last longer? ...
 
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Old Jun 11, 2004 | 12:00 PM
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I'm not sure TBH !

I know about the grooves and the cross drilling bits, but this surface one is new to me - sorry mate
 
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Old Jun 11, 2004 | 12:07 PM
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NP ... thanks for the links again! I know I can grab the brake line for sure and I might do some more research into some 14in braking system ... or the AMG's ... thanks again
 
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Old Jun 11, 2004 | 01:04 PM
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Cross hatching helps "grind" the pads until they are exactly matched to the shape of the rotor - until they are "bedded in". When they are exactly matched, there is maximum surface area between pads and rotor, creating max friction, resulting in fastest braking / reduced stopping distance. It also eliminates the opportunity for the pads to vibrate against the rotor when applied, which would create noise. So, the cross hatching gives reduced stopping distance, at the cost of some pad life.

I used "reduced stopping distance" instead of "better braking", because IMHO distance is only one factor in "better". Most significant to me is minimizing heat build up, in the brake parts and in the fluid, because heat creates "fade"- the brakes become less effective each time you use them repeatedly in rapid succession. Cross drilling or slotting is one of the tools to aid cooling. I don't think this ever becomes a factor in legal-ish daily driving, even in the worst commute. It could become a factor on roads such as twisty mountains at high speed, and will when racing on a closed course. Other factors are "feel" - how well you can precisely apply just the right amount of braking, how progressively the braking is applied, and how well you get feedback through your foot.

I go into this, because it's my strong suspicion (true, a GUESS) that we are unlikely to reduce stopping distance much, even at considerable cost. We have light cars with large contact patches, and it's usually losing friction between tires and road that's more of a problem than between the pads and the rotors. We may well be able to reduce fade and improve feel. How important this is to each individual will indicate how much upgrades are worth to each driver. I'm already a bit worried about getting wacked from behind by a tailgater with less effective brakes, though it's still better to be able to do it.
'Course, I'm wrong about lots of things.
 
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Old Jun 11, 2004 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by qtrfoil
I go into this, because it's my strong suspicion (true, a GUESS) that we are unlikely to reduce stopping distance much, even at considerable cost. We have light cars with large contact patches, and it's usually losing friction between tires and road that's more of a problem than between the pads and the rotors. We may well be able to reduce fade and improve feel. How important this is to each individual will indicate how much upgrades are worth to each driver. I'm already a bit worried about getting wacked from behind by a tailgater with less effective brakes, though it's still better to be able to do it.
Exactly. IMHO dumping a bunch of money into brakes that'll stop me in a foot or two less space is just goofy. I don't beat on my brakes or drive in enough situations to warrant the expense required to reduce fade and heat buildup. If were autocrossing, maybe.

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Hey... I resemble that comment! :wink: :roll: :wink:
 
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Old Jun 12, 2004 | 12:03 AM
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Thank you so much for that detailed description!!! It's a huge help when people can teach me about these things!

I have noticed brake fad when im doing a lot of "driving" on the high way.... and if these parts can stop this from happening plus help save my life time on my pads im very happy with it then!

Thank you again so much! ...

now to another noob question.. I know im gonna sound ricer'ish here... But I do love the look of a colored brake caliper... I've found on that mercedes site that there is some paint I could use to color the steel.... has anyone used this before? or is it possible to just buy a new caliper cover in a different color??

I'm really sorry for asking questions... but I just don't know about these things!

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Old Jun 12, 2004 | 03:04 AM
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Nice! that guide is what i really needed! Thank you saldous!

Has anyone did this to a car before? Does the paint look like crap and flake off? or is it pretty professionally done?
 
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Old Jun 12, 2004 | 11:31 AM
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Brother Boba,
If you're developing fade during highway drives, then I wouldn't want to be ANYWHERE near you on the road! If you can get it, watch a bit of the 24 Hours of LeMans on today (12 Jun 04) on Speed Channel. especially watch after dark- after about 5:00 PM EST. You'll see brake rotors glowing in the dark as cars brake into corners, because they have been hard on and off the brakes, almost EVERY few seconds, for HOURS. THAT's when you get fade! If this is happening to you, then Ay Carumba!
I do think my brakes are not very progressive - a little bit of pedal gets a little bit of braking: a little more pedal gets a LOT more braking. That's what I think I'd like to improve.
I kind of dig painted calipers, but I like to keep a consistent color theme. I put yellow calipers on a black TR8 that was trimmed subtly along Johnny Player Special lines, with yellow details. On an SSB, I'd take a look at a darker blue. Your milage may vary...

PS> Cross hatching generally decreases pad life. OK, if you know that up front.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2004 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by BobaFettm
Nice! that guide is what i really needed! Thank you saldous!

Has anyone did this to a car before? Does the paint look like crap and flake off? or is it pretty professionally done?
paint looks like crap imo. most tape off area versus removing the entire caliper...it starts to peel and wear. looks kind of cheap imo...like a do it yourselfer. the way to go is to powercoat the caliper like porsche does and its not all that costly.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2004 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by qtrfoil
Brother Boba,
If you're developing fade during highway drives, then I wouldn't want to be ANYWHERE near you on the road!
LOL im not saying I glow red!! or I loss braking completely.. but I do feel the difference in my braking after I get off the freeway of doing good speeds... plus im getting a small high pitch noise... nothing to bad... but only after the brakes have been used at high speeds for a long period of time...

Originally Posted by andrew
paint looks like crap imo. most tape off area versus removing the entire caliper...it starts to peel and wear. looks kind of cheap imo...like a do it yourselfer. the way to go is to powercoat the caliper like porsche does and its not all that costly.
yah I was worried about that Andrew ... Powercoat huh? anything like a anodizing? or is it just coated differently?
 
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Old Jun 12, 2004 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BobaFettm
LOL im not saying I glow red!! or I loss braking completely.. but I do feel the difference in my braking after I get off the freeway of doing good speeds... plus im getting a small high pitch noise... nothing to bad... but only after the brakes have been used at high speeds for a long period of time...
You still hve me scratching my head here. You have brake fade after getting off the freeway of doing good speeds??? What are you doing... high speed stop and go or just standing on the brakes before you get off??? It doesn't seem like a problem with the brakes... your driving technique maybe.:? :? :?
 
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