Cheap tie rods at Tractor Supply
Totally agree...that's why I went with these.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/aaf-all57112
These tubes are made of strong, swedged DOM steel with a gold anodized finish for looks and durability.
I was always a little leary of the sets that MikeR designed simply because of the material he used and those same ball socketed ends. The dirt track boys go through these on a regular basis especially when they go the cheaper route and use the SS or aluminum rods which tend to strip easier then the chromoly ones.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/aaf-all57112
These tubes are made of strong, swedged DOM steel with a gold anodized finish for looks and durability.
I was always a little leary of the sets that MikeR designed simply because of the material he used and those same ball socketed ends. The dirt track boys go through these on a regular basis especially when they go the cheaper route and use the SS or aluminum rods which tend to strip easier then the chromoly ones.
I'd never consider aluminum, tube or solid.
I'd go with solid steel rather than tubular steel parts.
So these are the ones you used for your set up 7 months ago?
91008001-STR..... FORGED STEEL 4-BAR END RH..... 2..... $12.99..... $25.98
91008002-STR..... FORGED STEEL 4-BAR END LH..... 2..... $14.99..... $29.98
How do you like them? What kind of noise do you have if any?
91008001-STR..... FORGED STEEL 4-BAR END RH..... 2..... $12.99..... $25.98
91008002-STR..... FORGED STEEL 4-BAR END LH..... 2..... $14.99..... $29.98
How do you like them? What kind of noise do you have if any?
At least those parts are tested for strength...Tractor Supply I doubt they care.... Most of the plane parts my son sells to the crop dusting industry doesn't come from China. Mostly European countries. Spain, Poland, Germany, etc... His company home office is in Spain and most of the planes come from Poland...can't say about airliners...but the crop dusters don't want Chinese parts... bottom line, if you are going to depend on it in a triple figure curve, I would want to know it's strength...
DOM is actually not a type of tubing, but a process that is applied to tubing after it is initially constructed. It is Drawn Over a Mandrel...which "cold works" it, giving it more exact dimensions relative to the inside and outside diameters, a smoother finish, and better alignment of the crystal lattice structure. Although it is almost always referred to as a SEAMLESS tube, technically it is NOT seamless tubing, and it started life as some sort of EW (electric welded) tubing. During the manufacturing process, the weld line becomes nearly undetectable, thus it is referred to as SEAMLESS. It is considered a high strength, high quality tube, and is normally constructed from SAE 1020 or 1026 steel. DOM is commonly used in the manufacturing of race cars and motorcycle frames. DOM is now required for a roll cage by most organizations.
Not that I am any kind of engineer, but I would figure this would work for the car application... don't think any car, stock or race, is going to put these parts to the test...I stand to be corrected...
At least those parts are tested for strength...Tractor Supply I doubt they care.... Most of the plane parts my son sells to the crop dusting industry doesn't come from China. Mostly European countries. Spain, Poland, Germany, etc... His company home office is in Spain and most of the planes come from Poland...can't say about airliners...but the crop dusters don't want Chinese parts... bottom line, if you are going to depend on it in a triple figure curve, I would want to know it's strength...
With a Tensile Strength (PSI) of 80,000, a Yield Strength (PSI) of 70,000 and a Rockwell Hardness of B80, DOM is more then strong enough and comparable to solid steel. Plus it weighs less and makes for stronger threads.
Only Chromoly is stronger then DOM, and much more expensive.
Only Chromoly is stronger then DOM, and much more expensive.
DOM is made from low carbon steel, basically a good mild steel, SAE 1020, 1025. It work hardens to a greater and lesser degrees and is not really heat treatable except by case hardening as the carbon content is too low. It has the benefit of being reasonably malleable for swagging and forming etc because it does not work harden too much depending on the alloy.
How you could call this stronger than solid steel is strange. As steel goes this is cheap to buy and easy to machine but not the easiest.
Didn't need to skip any classes; worked machine shop for 25 yrs. DOM tensile strength is at the top range of solid low carbon steels. For example, A36 tops @ 78,000 but only shows half the yield strength of DOM (37,000 vs 70,000). Often replaced stainless thick wall with DOM for High Pressure Hydraulics because of burst resisitance and cost (namely TuffDOM 620: Tensile 100,00, Yield 90,000). Thick wall DOM was harder to bend than same size solid round stock. And DOM "IS" harder to machine then solid A36. You need to work with the stuff to know the difference, so yes, I stand by my statement. 
eg. Thick wall DOM was harder to bend than same size solid round stock. Same size solid what? It makes a difference what the material is, see my point?
DOM steels can be many grades, low carbon and alloy. So the DOM used on these tubes could be anything from low carbon to your TuffDOM, you see where I am coming from and that is my argument in the first post, it all depends on the steel.
Last edited by onehundred80; Jun 19, 2013 at 11:40 PM.
All I was stating was that the DOM is adequate and comparable to using solid steel, but no one uses solid steel because of weight, when a tube can get the same results. Even a low grade carbon when cold drawn will gain much more strength from compacting the grains. Same can be said with aluminum. I've cold drawn and annealed aluminum tube to a hardness comparable to the same wall thickness of SS tubing, all in the name of weight and cost savings.
The DOM used on the Allstar Performance tubes I used have been tested on the Modified Dirt and World Of Outlaw racers with great success. And that is some kind of abuse for suspensions.
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