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Old Jun 18, 2013 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by syfi
Totally agree...that's why I went with these.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/aaf-all57112

These tubes are made of strong, swedged DOM steel with a gold anodized finish for looks and durability.

I was always a little leary of the sets that MikeR designed simply because of the material he used and those same ball socketed ends. The dirt track boys go through these on a regular basis especially when they go the cheaper route and use the SS or aluminum rods which tend to strip easier then the chromoly ones.
I do not see where the quality of the steel in these parts is mentioned.
I'd never consider aluminum, tube or solid.
I'd go with solid steel rather than tubular steel parts.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2013 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by oledoc2u
................... Plenty of Chinese junk going on farm equipment these days
It goes onto planes as well.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2013 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JesseJamessrt6
So these are the ones you used for your set up 7 months ago?

91008001-STR..... FORGED STEEL 4-BAR END RH..... 2..... $12.99..... $25.98
91008002-STR..... FORGED STEEL 4-BAR END LH..... 2..... $14.99..... $29.98

How do you like them? What kind of noise do you have if any?
They've been absolutely perfect and completely silent. Of coarse when I installed them I used a liberal amount of an underwater lube called Aqua Shield made by D.A. Stuart, which is primarily used on boat trailer wheel bearings, as extra protection. Haven't had to make any adjustments. Everything is still good and tight.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2013 | 10:12 PM
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It goes onto planes as well.
At least those parts are tested for strength...Tractor Supply I doubt they care.... Most of the plane parts my son sells to the crop dusting industry doesn't come from China. Mostly European countries. Spain, Poland, Germany, etc... His company home office is in Spain and most of the planes come from Poland...can't say about airliners...but the crop dusters don't want Chinese parts... bottom line, if you are going to depend on it in a triple figure curve, I would want to know it's strength...
 
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Old Jun 18, 2013 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by onehundred80
I do not see where the quality of the steel in these parts is mentioned.
I'd never consider aluminum, tube or solid.
I'd go with solid steel rather than tubular steel parts.
With a Tensile Strength (PSI) of 80,000, a Yield Strength (PSI) of 70,000 and a Rockwell Hardness of B80, DOM is more then strong enough and comparable to solid steel. Plus it weighs less and makes for stronger threads.

DOM is actually not a type of tubing, but a process that is applied to tubing after it is initially constructed. It is Drawn Over a Mandrel...which "cold works" it, giving it more exact dimensions relative to the inside and outside diameters, a smoother finish, and better alignment of the crystal lattice structure. Although it is almost always referred to as a SEAMLESS tube, technically it is NOT seamless tubing, and it started life as some sort of EW (electric welded) tubing. During the manufacturing process, the weld line becomes nearly undetectable, thus it is referred to as SEAMLESS. It is considered a high strength, high quality tube, and is normally constructed from SAE 1020 or 1026 steel. DOM is commonly used in the manufacturing of race cars and motorcycle frames. DOM is now required for a roll cage by most organizations.
Only Chromoly is stronger then DOM, and much more expensive.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2013 | 10:48 PM
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Not that I am any kind of engineer, but I would figure this would work for the car application... don't think any car, stock or race, is going to put these parts to the test...I stand to be corrected...
 
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Old Jun 18, 2013 | 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by oledoc2u
At least those parts are tested for strength...Tractor Supply I doubt they care.... Most of the plane parts my son sells to the crop dusting industry doesn't come from China. Mostly European countries. Spain, Poland, Germany, etc... His company home office is in Spain and most of the planes come from Poland...can't say about airliners...but the crop dusters don't want Chinese parts... bottom line, if you are going to depend on it in a triple figure curve, I would want to know it's strength...
You have not heard of phony parts being supplied to airlines and even the Air Force? Sold by reputable companies who were duped in some cases.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2013 | 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by syfi
With a Tensile Strength (PSI) of 80,000, a Yield Strength (PSI) of 70,000 and a Rockwell Hardness of B80, DOM is more then strong enough and comparable to solid steel. Plus it weighs less and makes for stronger threads.
Only Chromoly is stronger then DOM, and much more expensive.
I think you skipped the metallurgy class too often.
DOM is made from low carbon steel, basically a good mild steel, SAE 1020, 1025. It work hardens to a greater and lesser degrees and is not really heat treatable except by case hardening as the carbon content is too low. It has the benefit of being reasonably malleable for swagging and forming etc because it does not work harden too much depending on the alloy.

How you could call this stronger than solid steel is strange. As steel goes this is cheap to buy and easy to machine but not the easiest.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2013 | 01:40 AM
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I think you skipped the metallurgy class too often.
How you could call this stronger than solid steel is strange. As steel goes this is cheap to buy and easy to machine but not the easiest.
Didn't need to skip any classes; worked machine shop for 25 yrs. DOM tensile strength is at the top range of solid low carbon steels. For example, A36 tops @ 78,000 but only shows half the yield strength of DOM (37,000 vs 70,000). Often replaced stainless thick wall with DOM for High Pressure Hydraulics because of burst resisitance and cost (namely TuffDOM 620: Tensile 100,00, Yield 90,000). Thick wall DOM was harder to bend than same size solid round stock. And DOM "IS" harder to machine then solid A36. You need to work with the stuff to know the difference, so yes, I stand by my statement.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2013 | 11:33 PM
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Didn't need to skip any classes; worked machine shop for 25 yrs. DOM tensile strength is at the top range of solid low carbon steels. For example, A36 tops @ 78,000 but only shows half the yield strength of DOM (37,000 vs 70,000). Often replaced stainless thick wall with DOM for High Pressure Hydraulics because of burst resisitance and cost (namely TuffDOM 620: Tensile 100,00, Yield 90,000). Thick wall DOM was harder to bend than same size solid round stock. And DOM "IS" harder to machine then solid A36. You need to work with the stuff to know the difference, so yes, I stand by my statement.
Please explain your common usage of the word solid, it is confusing.
eg. Thick wall DOM was harder to bend than same size solid round stock. Same size solid what? It makes a difference what the material is, see my point?
DOM steels can be many grades, low carbon and alloy. So the DOM used on these tubes could be anything from low carbon to your TuffDOM, you see where I am coming from and that is my argument in the first post, it all depends on the steel.
 

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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by onehundred80
Please explain your common usage of the word solid, it is confusing.
So the DOM used on these tubes could be anything from low carbon to your TuffDOM, you see where I am coming from and that is my argument in the first post, it all depends on the steel.
I totally agree with you. There are over 3,500 different grades of steel, encompassing unique physical, chemical and environmental properties. The solid I was referring to was the common A36 we use on a daily basis. And I agree that it all depends on the steel. Example: I put a 1/2" solid rod of A36 into a hydraulic break and bend it quite easily. The same 1/2" DOM tube will take more pressure to bend, even with the hollow space inside. Try to bend the same 1/2" solid rod of tool steel and it will snap.

All I was stating was that the DOM is adequate and comparable to using solid steel, but no one uses solid steel because of weight, when a tube can get the same results. Even a low grade carbon when cold drawn will gain much more strength from compacting the grains. Same can be said with aluminum. I've cold drawn and annealed aluminum tube to a hardness comparable to the same wall thickness of SS tubing, all in the name of weight and cost savings.

The DOM used on the Allstar Performance tubes I used have been tested on the Modified Dirt and World Of Outlaw racers with great success. And that is some kind of abuse for suspensions.
 
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