How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
Hi < tighed1 @Hotmail.com >
I seem not able to connect with this email address..
My Problem is (2004 Chrysler Crossfire)...I drove it for 9 hours in June without a problem England to SW France.
Now for no reason...
Dies for no reason, after an hour - start and drive off.........or drive 5 minutes - come out - no start Engine Man light on & rear spoiler deployed.........again after a period (remove engine cover and pipes ) as I thought it was a heat problem !! Engine will start, engine light on leave at home for a while...starts engine light is off and spoiler working and back into rest mode..
Will youre fix RCM fix THIS??
If I go out now - the car will start - no engine light and spoiler will rest and NO codes for the garage as if it is a ghost problem...
If I send the RCM to you can you tell if the relays are the suspects??
Would like to know your thoughts & any other members who have had this problem...my email is bob.stevens@talk21.com...Rgds Bob
I seem not able to connect with this email address..
My Problem is (2004 Chrysler Crossfire)...I drove it for 9 hours in June without a problem England to SW France.
Now for no reason...
Dies for no reason, after an hour - start and drive off.........or drive 5 minutes - come out - no start Engine Man light on & rear spoiler deployed.........again after a period (remove engine cover and pipes ) as I thought it was a heat problem !! Engine will start, engine light on leave at home for a while...starts engine light is off and spoiler working and back into rest mode..
Will youre fix RCM fix THIS??
If I go out now - the car will start - no engine light and spoiler will rest and NO codes for the garage as if it is a ghost problem...
If I send the RCM to you can you tell if the relays are the suspects??
Would like to know your thoughts & any other members who have had this problem...my email is bob.stevens@talk21.com...Rgds Bob
Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
I don't know if the capitol "H" is the problem, but I have his email address as :
tighed1@hotmail.com
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Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
EVERYONE.
Don't spend $15-$20 mailing these. They fit in the padded flat rate envelopes and ship for about $5.
Anyone that would like me to repair their RCM email me at - tighed1 @Hotmail.com - for my address.
Don't pull fuses or take off cover!
I'll inspect, redo bad solder joints, perform the Me So Horny mod (horn works w/o key) and replace the Air Pump relay (Code PO410) and the Fuel Pump relay if needed (no start due to pump not running). I will then test your RCM in one of my cars. Then I will mail back the RCM to you via USPS Priority Mail (2-3 day). In most cases I get the RCM back in the mail the day after I receive it so yer looking at about a week total. If you want the package insured please include an additional $6. FYI, In the couple/few years that I have been doing this only one was lost in the mail.
Please email your address to me also.
Don't spend $15-$20 mailing these. They fit in the padded flat rate envelopes and ship for about $5.
Anyone that would like me to repair their RCM email me at - tighed1 @Hotmail.com - for my address.
Don't pull fuses or take off cover!
I'll inspect, redo bad solder joints, perform the Me So Horny mod (horn works w/o key) and replace the Air Pump relay (Code PO410) and the Fuel Pump relay if needed (no start due to pump not running). I will then test your RCM in one of my cars. Then I will mail back the RCM to you via USPS Priority Mail (2-3 day). In most cases I get the RCM back in the mail the day after I receive it so yer looking at about a week total. If you want the package insured please include an additional $6. FYI, In the couple/few years that I have been doing this only one was lost in the mail.
Please email your address to me also.
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Has anyone checked for any codes that have been set, a CE light should indicate a code. We have this feature but it seems half the time the CE light only prompts a post on this forum. In many cases the suggestions will only be an educated guess with no code info.
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Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
How to Relay Control Module (RCM) Repair - (Mystery no Start)
Click here to Go to post 120 for loaner RCM infoThanks LGV-XFIRE!
This post is in response to the MANY occurrences of the "Mystery No Start" issue. Symptoms being car will die and/or will not restart but may restart after waiting for a while. Also, when attempting to start the engine all electronics work but the engine will not crank.
Hundreds have been spent "repairing" this problem by buying a new Relay Control Module (RCM) and paying for diagnostics, removal and installation.
Well I'm here to help save you some time, $$$ and aggravation cuz YOU will do the repair yer self!
This repair will require that you are able to properly operate a soldering iron. Beyond that it’s pretty easy.
Let’s get started (get it?)!
First four steps might look familiar cuz they come right out of the “Me so Horny” mod.
1. Disconnect the battery.
2. Remove the cover that contains the RCM and pull the RCM out.
3. Disconnect all plugs from the RCM.
4. Remove the protective cover from the RCM. Might take a little prying with small screwdrivers.
5. Inspect the rear of the RCM. Pay particular attention to the area in the yellow outline box located in the lower right hand portion of the photo.
Here are two examples of what you might see.
This is NYPD-Crossfire’s BAD RCM.
And now the close up.
By just slightly touching the center set of connections I was actually able to make and break the electrical connection. No wonder his car wouldn’t start.
Here is my still “good” RCM from the coupe.
As you can see the connections here are also VERY poor. It’s still working but looking like it does it wouldn’t be long before I too would have encountered the Mystery No Start issue.
- REPAIR
Re-soldiered connections. Compare with the above photo. I think I'm safe now!
NOTE: Now would be a GREAT time to do the “Me so Horny” mod. Two deep cuts in the circuit board. Solder in two wires. That easy!
7. Put the protective cover back on the RCM.
8. Re-connected RCM.
9. Put the RCM back into the main box.
10. Install cover.
11. Connect battery.
Yer Done!
In addition to the " Sticky Ignition Key Fix for all Crossfires 2004 thru 2006" thread, from which I successfully used the PDF provided to fix my car by myself today, I have also used this thread to fix my car by myself last year! I just wanted to say THANK YOU for taking the time to post this! I am a single woman on a budget, so both of these threads were extremely helpful to me and saved me a lot of money and headache!!! Thanks much!!! ~Kim
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Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
I just did the repair and seems to working fine now, starts every time!!! Can't say enough about the way the repair was explained and photo's!!Awesome Job Sure saved me a ton of money and headache's in the future. thanks again
Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
Just thought I'd mention that I've had my RCM repaired twice by Mr Tighed
and he did a great job! I figured out that jump starting the crossfire
messes with the RCM's relays that's what kept deteriorating my relays and would
eventually make them fail in a matter of weeks after a jump start.
The soldering was fine .. The relays just kept getting blown ..
( In my case at least ) might wanna stay away from jump starts
and he did a great job! I figured out that jump starting the crossfire
messes with the RCM's relays that's what kept deteriorating my relays and would
eventually make them fail in a matter of weeks after a jump start.
The soldering was fine .. The relays just kept getting blown ..
( In my case at least ) might wanna stay away from jump starts
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Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
Anyway he says the relay burns up not the soldering.
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That's correct, the jump starts did not affect the soldering
that had been previously repaired by Tighed. It just messes with the relays. (bad soldering and bad relays are 2 different issues on the RCM) my crossfire sits for long periods of time because of my job I travel often so my battery will lose volts (probably due to it being an older battery but that's another story) anyway, that's how I noticed the jump starts were causing my RCM's fuel pump relay to go bad shortly after jumping ( 2 -3 weeks ) so what I did is purchased a battery charger and now I remove the battery to charge when needed. Haven't blown any more relays. Just my 2 cents! Cobra1951f if your fuel pump relay blows you will 1- Not hear the short buzzing/humming noise coming from the back of the car when you turn the key once (before cranking) It's about 3 seconds long which means the fuel pump is not working/sending fuel and car will turn over but not start... 2 - Car will stumble and die at any moment idling or in movement, what I noticed is that when the soldering joints are bad the car just flat out dies with no other warnings and when the fuel relay is bad it stumbles before it dies as if you were out of gas.
that had been previously repaired by Tighed. It just messes with the relays. (bad soldering and bad relays are 2 different issues on the RCM) my crossfire sits for long periods of time because of my job I travel often so my battery will lose volts (probably due to it being an older battery but that's another story) anyway, that's how I noticed the jump starts were causing my RCM's fuel pump relay to go bad shortly after jumping ( 2 -3 weeks ) so what I did is purchased a battery charger and now I remove the battery to charge when needed. Haven't blown any more relays. Just my 2 cents! Cobra1951f if your fuel pump relay blows you will 1- Not hear the short buzzing/humming noise coming from the back of the car when you turn the key once (before cranking) It's about 3 seconds long which means the fuel pump is not working/sending fuel and car will turn over but not start... 2 - Car will stumble and die at any moment idling or in movement, what I noticed is that when the soldering joints are bad the car just flat out dies with no other warnings and when the fuel relay is bad it stumbles before it dies as if you were out of gas.
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Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
Glad to see this wonderful thread. Thanks for all this hard work! I just bought a 2004 that has had horrible starting issues. The last owner had replaced starter, alternator, battery, ignition and computer. It worked for him for a few months and now it won't start again. I just got it in my garage yesterday and have the battery on a charger since it was dead. My question is if this RCM solder joint issue causes the car to not even crank or try to turn over?
Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
Glad to see this wonderful thread. Thanks for all this hard work! I just bought a 2004 that has had horrible starting issues. The last owner had replaced starter, alternator, battery, ignition and computer. It worked for him for a few months and now it won't start again. I just got it in my garage yesterday and have the battery on a charger since it was dead. My question is if this RCM solder joint issue causes the car to not even crank or try to turn over?
Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
bought new key, replaced crankshaft position sensor and have extra CPS with tools to repair if breaks down, replaced very worn out steering stabilizer too. Replaced spark plugs too. Doing fluid change end of this week - thanks to senior member ala_xfire - differential, manual transmission, brakes and power steering. Have another 1k to go for oil change.
2004 has some cosmetic issues but has a strong heart I want to keep going. At 101,000 and going strong. Follow the forum regularly my big suggestion listening the senior members is huge head ache saver.
Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
Can someone share with me a 2004 fuse box diagram? What I found from a owners manual doesn't match exactly what my car has. Some spots have the wrong size fuse and one spot that says it supposed to be a spare looks like it has connections inside it
