Production Changes
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Re: Production Changes
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...6-07-info.html
Found a little more info about crankshafts/flywheel bolt patterning from back when HDDP was mating the 6speed to an SRT engine. Looks like he was just as confused as we are now, but he does have some parts codes in there that might help those currently hunting for info about the flywheel switchover.
Found a little more info about crankshafts/flywheel bolt patterning from back when HDDP was mating the 6speed to an SRT engine. Looks like he was just as confused as we are now, but he does have some parts codes in there that might help those currently hunting for info about the flywheel switchover.
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Re: Production Changes
I rather doubt that it was done for no reason. For instance it is possible that a new crankshaft was needed which was to use the same clutch as the 320. So a new flywheel was required as well as a new C/Shaft.
Or the elimination of some parts was required to reduce inventory over the following years,
With that said, I worked for a company that used standard parts which were required to fit old, new and future machines with no mods. How ever if someone of some influence in the company said we want a new part her, sometimes for no real reason at all they got it, lesser mortals were then left to sort out what other new parts were required to get the necessary interchangeability, sometimes it was not pretty.
Or the elimination of some parts was required to reduce inventory over the following years,
With that said, I worked for a company that used standard parts which were required to fit old, new and future machines with no mods. How ever if someone of some influence in the company said we want a new part her, sometimes for no real reason at all they got it, lesser mortals were then left to sort out what other new parts were required to get the necessary interchangeability, sometimes it was not pretty.
So some Crossfire's have the NA pattern. While my NA has the AMG bolt pattern. Very Odd.
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Just a thought but I have seen flywheels that were part of the crank balance. Could see that if it changed they would want to be sure and certain that the balanced flywheel was never put on an engine that did not use it.
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Re: Production Changes
But if they all use the 3.2 from the SLK320 and the same tranny from the SLK320 (confirmed not from the SLK350) why would they change the crankcase bolt pattern?
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Interesting... I didn't notice the knee bolsters on the driver's side changed along with the glove box door. It appears both were changed to accomodate more leg room. I didn't know about the dead pedal, either.
I noticed under a paint code thread that the red went from Blaze Red to Inferno Red in 2005. Graphite Grey became Machine Grey in 2006. It appears Classic Yellow was only available for 2005 roadsters. And Oyster Gold was added for 2006-2008. Alabaster White was only made 2004-2006; Aero Blue 2005-2008. Looks like Sapphire Silver & Black were the only colors available for all years. I didn't know that 2007 & 2008 Crossfires had Bright Silver as an option in addition to Sapphire Silver, either. I'm guessing Sapphire Silver has some blue flakes in it, and Bright Silver doesn't?
The silvers, reds, and greys are so similar, I never noticed they changed from year to year. I feel like I'm getting a crash course in Crossfire options.
I noticed under a paint code thread that the red went from Blaze Red to Inferno Red in 2005. Graphite Grey became Machine Grey in 2006. It appears Classic Yellow was only available for 2005 roadsters. And Oyster Gold was added for 2006-2008. Alabaster White was only made 2004-2006; Aero Blue 2005-2008. Looks like Sapphire Silver & Black were the only colors available for all years. I didn't know that 2007 & 2008 Crossfires had Bright Silver as an option in addition to Sapphire Silver, either. I'm guessing Sapphire Silver has some blue flakes in it, and Bright Silver doesn't?
The silvers, reds, and greys are so similar, I never noticed they changed from year to year. I feel like I'm getting a crash course in Crossfire options.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chrysler-Crossfire-Limited-Convertible-2-Door-06-yellow-convertable-chrysler-crossfire-/171387064617?forcerrptr=true&hash=item27e7771129&item=171387064617&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
I see you are wrong for they did paint yellow on the following years.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chrysler-Crossfire-Base-Coupe-2-Door-2004-Crysler-Crossfire-30K-Miles-2-owner-/221492710207?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3391fe8b3f&item=221492710207&pt=US_Cars_Trucks I just car faxed this car, 2 owner clean no accidents good price ,,,
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Re: Production Changes
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...6-07-info.html
Found a little more info about crankshafts/flywheel bolt patterning from back when HDDP was mating the 6speed to an SRT engine. Looks like he was just as confused as we are now, but he does have some parts codes in there that might help those currently hunting for info about the flywheel switchover.
Found a little more info about crankshafts/flywheel bolt patterning from back when HDDP was mating the 6speed to an SRT engine. Looks like he was just as confused as we are now, but he does have some parts codes in there that might help those currently hunting for info about the flywheel switchover.
What doesn't make sense is why some cars have the symmetrical pattern, while others have the 4+4 pattern. Mine has the latter, while some 2004 models have the symmetrical pattern, as do later years.
So some Crossfire's have the NA pattern. While my NA has the AMG bolt pattern. Very Odd.
So some Crossfire's have the NA pattern. While my NA has the AMG bolt pattern. Very Odd.
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Re: Production Changes
The interior silver colored trim was finished in a clear gloss finish, later cars came with a flatter finish to the silver trim.
Auto night/day rear view mirror in 2004 models only.
2004 models all came with standard features that later Base models lacked.
2004 models were were pre-wired for the navigation radio.
Auto night/day rear view mirror in 2004 models only.
2004 models all came with standard features that later Base models lacked.
2004 models were were pre-wired for the navigation radio.
Also, I keepreading about the night/day rear view mirror. What does that mean and how do I know if I have it? I never really found anything unique about my rearview mirror even though I'm sure it's the mirror you speak off! What does this function entail?
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The auto dimming rear view mirror was only on the 2004 Crossfires. When the sensor on the lower mirror casing perimeter detects light, the mirror surface darkens (electronically) to "dim" the lights that are shining in the mirror from behind you.
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Very interesting. Do we have pictures comparing the silver trim? I myself own a 2004 but always thought the silver interior looks exactly the same as later models.
Also, I keepreading about the night/day rear view mirror. What does that mean and how do I know if I have it? I never really found anything unique about my rearview mirror even though I'm sure it's the mirror you speak off! What does this function entail?
Also, I keepreading about the night/day rear view mirror. What does that mean and how do I know if I have it? I never really found anything unique about my rearview mirror even though I'm sure it's the mirror you speak off! What does this function entail?
If so, it's NOT an auto-dimming mirror.
There are actually two sensors on the auto-dimming mirror, one on the back ( towards the windshield ) that detects if it is day or night, another on the mirror side that detects bright lights coming up behind you.
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One difference on the exterior trim (that I only became aware of last year at the Chrysler Nationals in Carlisle, PA) is the CROSSFIRE letters across the rear deck lid are located near the bottom edge on the 2004 model. On the 2005 models, CROSSFIRE is moved up about an inch (25-30 mm) so the SRT-6 logo could be added during its production run. When the SRT-6 model ceased production, the CROSSFIRE letters remained in the higher location. Makes the 2004 model sort of unique.
I've got a 2007 Limited Coupe in Machine Gray. Machine Gray replaced Graphite Gray in 2006 & carried forward thru 2008 models. I get into lots of discussions with paint people who claim the color formulations were identical and only a name change occurred. Some indicate that Chrysler even used the same color code for both - never confirmed this. But the colors are distinctively different. Machine Gray has the "blue-ish" tint in the paint. Looks sort of like a new piece of steel from steel mill.
I hardly ever come across another Machine Gray version - like previously posted, not many were made. At Carlisle last year, mine was the only Machine Gray version in the showfield. Even fellow Crossfire owners thought I had repainted the car with an aftermarket color. Some weren't aware that the color was OEM.
Neat thread!
I've got a 2007 Limited Coupe in Machine Gray. Machine Gray replaced Graphite Gray in 2006 & carried forward thru 2008 models. I get into lots of discussions with paint people who claim the color formulations were identical and only a name change occurred. Some indicate that Chrysler even used the same color code for both - never confirmed this. But the colors are distinctively different. Machine Gray has the "blue-ish" tint in the paint. Looks sort of like a new piece of steel from steel mill.
I hardly ever come across another Machine Gray version - like previously posted, not many were made. At Carlisle last year, mine was the only Machine Gray version in the showfield. Even fellow Crossfire owners thought I had repainted the car with an aftermarket color. Some weren't aware that the color was OEM.
Neat thread!
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Re: Production Changes
The interior silver colored trim was finished in a clear gloss finish, later cars came with a flatter finish to the silver trim.
Auto night/day rear view mirror in 2004 models only.
2004 models all came with standard features that later Base models lacked.
2004 models were were pre-wired for the navigation radio.
Auto night/day rear view mirror in 2004 models only.
2004 models all came with standard features that later Base models lacked.
2004 models were were pre-wired for the navigation radio.
Roadsters joined the model beginning in 2005. Special Editions arrived in 2007, I think. Special Editions had an improved version (my opinion) of the SRT-6 wheel because the areas between the spokes were painted with a gray clear-coat instead of the bare machined aluminum. Wheel was much easier to wash & clean.
The 2007 brochure also indicates that all base models came only with 6-speed manuals. To get the 5-speed auto-stick, you had to get a Limited version or a Special Edition. Not sure if the tranny options were the same for 2005-2006 versions.
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One difference on the exterior trim (that I only became aware of last year at the Chrysler Nationals in Carlisle, PA) is the CROSSFIRE letters across the rear deck lid are located near the bottom edge on the 2004 model. On the 2005 models, CROSSFIRE is moved up about an inch (25-30 mm) so the SRT-6 logo could be added during its production run. When the SRT-6 model ceased production, the CROSSFIRE letters remained in the higher location. Makes the 2004 model sort of unique.
I've got a 2007 Limited Coupe in Machine Gray. Machine Gray replaced Graphite Gray in 2006 & carried forward thru 2008 models. I get into lots of discussions with paint people who claim the color formulations were identical and only a name change occurred. Some indicate that Chrysler even used the same color code for both - never confirmed this. But the colors are distinctively different. Machine Gray has the "blue-ish" tint in the paint. Looks sort of like a new piece of steel from steel mill.
I hardly ever come across another Machine Gray version - like previously posted, not many were made. At Carlisle last year, mine was the only Machine Gray version in the showfield. Even fellow Crossfire owners thought I had repainted the car with an aftermarket color. Some weren't aware that the color was OEM.
Neat thread!
I've got a 2007 Limited Coupe in Machine Gray. Machine Gray replaced Graphite Gray in 2006 & carried forward thru 2008 models. I get into lots of discussions with paint people who claim the color formulations were identical and only a name change occurred. Some indicate that Chrysler even used the same color code for both - never confirmed this. But the colors are distinctively different. Machine Gray has the "blue-ish" tint in the paint. Looks sort of like a new piece of steel from steel mill.
I hardly ever come across another Machine Gray version - like previously posted, not many were made. At Carlisle last year, mine was the only Machine Gray version in the showfield. Even fellow Crossfire owners thought I had repainted the car with an aftermarket color. Some weren't aware that the color was OEM.
Neat thread!
The 2 gray colors are not the same, they have 2 entirely different paint codes.
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Re: Production Changes
Exterior
Aero Blue Pearl Blue PBK
Alabaster White P61
Black Black P41
Blaze Red Crystal Pearl Red PRH
Classic Yellow Yellow PY3
Graphite Metallic Gray PDR
Sapphire Silver Blue MetBlue PS3
Machine Gray Gray P17
Oyster Gold Metallic Gold PTB
Bright Silver Metallic P75 (2007)
Interior
Dark Gray/Cedar DR
Dark Gray/Med Gray DD
Dark Gray/Vanilla DW
Dark Slate Gray DV
Aero Blue Pearl Blue PBK
Alabaster White P61
Black Black P41
Blaze Red Crystal Pearl Red PRH
Classic Yellow Yellow PY3
Graphite Metallic Gray PDR
Sapphire Silver Blue MetBlue PS3
Machine Gray Gray P17
Oyster Gold Metallic Gold PTB
Bright Silver Metallic P75 (2007)
Interior
Dark Gray/Cedar DR
Dark Gray/Med Gray DD
Dark Gray/Vanilla DW
Dark Slate Gray DV
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Thanks for confirming the paint codes for the two gray colors.
As I stated in my previous post, there are quite a few websites for touch-up paint (i.e., AutomotiveTouchup.com) that still reference Machine Gray as the color code PDR. Becomes a real PITA when dealing with some of these guys!
Later,
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Curious to know if the 2 red colors (Blaze Red - 2004 & 2005 / Inferno Red - 2006, 2007, 2008) were different or was this just a name change by Chrysler?
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Makes sense to me if the balance relationship between the engine and the flywheel changed. This goes along with no change to the clutch or trans also used in the Jeep Wrangler.
Have now installed a flat aluminum plate where the dead pedal was. Much more comfortable. Do automatics have the same plastic piece ?
Have now installed a flat aluminum plate where the dead pedal was. Much more comfortable. Do automatics have the same plastic piece ?
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Re: Production Changes
Saga Continues,
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