somewhere i said that the most important part is the battery. that is, so you dont get grounded unexpectedly. that suddenly, without warning, you find out that you cant go.
but, once rolling, the most crucial element are the brakes.if they malfunction, you may die.
hence the convenience of having them in perfect shape.
what am interested is in learning preventive maintenance: what to check so you know all is well.
like the level of the fluid. or the color.
and how often.
also, when is time to replace the fluid.
also, what you can do to improve them. like using stainless steel hoses.
once again, am asking whoever knows anything about this to bring it in.
and if there is anything already anywhere, please tell us.
the purpose of this is to illustrate me and any others interested, that dont have the knowledge.
thanks.

 

For what it's worth, I was so disappointed in the braking system that I replaced the rotors and the brake pads, to no avail. Then I replaced all of the fluid and added the stainless steel brake line's. A small improvement but nowhere near what I was wanting. Spent a lot of money and have a braking system that is just acceptable. Too much brake pedal travel and poor stopping action. I guess the problem lies elsewhere. Could be the power assist system for the brakes but I'm not about to dig into that mystery. I'm like you, in that I would like to know what has to be done to bring these Crossfire brakes up to a GOOD braking system. At present, I hope neither one of us, or anyone else, for that matter, gets into a panic stop situation. No wonder so many Crossfire's have front end damage. If anyone has the fool proof answer that is 100% correct, please share it with the rest of us.

Jim

 

The most important thing in the car is the driver.
You could learn the facts by using SEARCH and then get back with any questions.
I said you should look into tire rubber compounds, perhaps even tire design instead of rehashing subjects chewed over many times before, let’s learn something new.

 

i posted this at another thread where i have been followed by some1 :
"for those who still dont get it, my efforts and data are dedicated to those who, like me, are not experts, and are in need of help to solve problems, or just to add knowledge of the so many details that otherwise we could never learn about this fantastic car. and i can see, for the so many visits-and not participations-to all these threads, that many just come to learn and dont want to get exposed to the negative and destructive critics that dont provide any help. and doesnt matter if has been talked about before many times. for us newbies, any subject is new, and deserve the respect from experts."

 

thank you for your participation. i hope some1 will bring light to your predicament. my car brakes are doing just fine, but, as i got the car used, i have no idea of what has been done or not and how.
hence my interest of improving the brakes system. therefore the stainless steel hoses, for instance. and am posting this because havent found any data on the issue.

 

It's not SS covers, it's SS hoses. Check Needswings.

 

advise taken.
thanks

 

Stainless Steel braided hoses, some now have the steel braid covered in plastic, the ones from NW are.
I think the SS hoses make a very minimal difference.
I think my ABS module has air in it from when I changed the master cylinder thinking it could be the problem.
I have too much pedal stroke but they stop just fine, I am going to change the fluid again, and check the pads and rotors and look for any slight leak. They seem leak free but you never know.
I want a two way reader to activate the ABS to bleed it. Maybe some genius could discover what terminals on the ABS pump could be jumped to push oil through the ABS valves to bleed them.
This problem has bugged me since 2011 when I got the SRT, the limited never was that way I an
m sure.

 

The ABS bleed can not be preformed by our Crossfires as you may have seen on some videos where the foot peddle goes up and down. Our PCM is not programed for this ABS bleed. I have a 2005 CLK 500 which uses the same protocol KWP2000 as our Crossfire and a very similar engine the M113. Using my Foxwell NT530 scan tool I attempted to do a brake bleed on the CLK but got a message on the instrument cluster ( it is more sophisticated than the Crossfire) that said the test was not available. The ABS module would activate and I could hear the motor run for about a sec or two, but that is all I could get out of the test. Trying the test on my Crossfire gave a similar very short running of the ABS motor and no peddle movement. I also contacted "toolman" here on the forum who has a number of Crossfires and the DRB III and asked if he would please attempt to bleed the brakes on his Crossfires with the DRB III. His results after attempting the brake bleed procedure on two of his Crossfires with the DRB III was the same result as mine. The two way comms with the scan tool and the Crossfire can accomplish many tests, but brake bleeding is not programed in our cars. It does test the ABS and ESP systems but does not bleed the brakes.
I had soft peddle on my Crossfire brakes which I improved considerably by using the "Powerbleeder" by Motive products; Mercedes dealers use a similar pressurized method to bleed brakes.

 

No matter how many times you tell him to search he doesn't listen. He asks questions a 16 year old wouldn't even ask about their first car. He literally acts like this is his first car ever. When you actually answer him you just encourage him and then he will reply 4 or 5 times mainly to himself.

How can we learn anything new when there are still discussions about which oil filter to use? Lol

He wants "positive" comments only but how can you be positive to pointless annoying questions??

 

Some of you guy's are really stuck on yourselves! Enough of the sarcastic crap. Those of you that think you know everything can't seem to come up with a solution. People ask questions because they are hoping that someone with some REAL intelligence can point them in the right direction. Even after all the previous post's. Maybe someone HAS found a solution recently and it hasn't been posted. Ease up with the "know it all" attitude and try to help instead of criticizing. If a question has been asked umpteen times, obviously there hasn't been a correct answer or solution found, even by the people that think they know everything about everything.

Jim Holian

 

I know, I am just trying to steer him onto a brand new subject.
In his threads most of the replies come from him, many less than five minutes apart. Adding a new post when an edit to the previous post would make more sense of the subject.
Something new would be interesting, maybe.

 

I disagree being asked if you warm up or drive the car immediately when you first start it, is pointless and not helpful. None of his questions are unique they are literally questions like why is the sky blue? Nobody is saying they know everything just tired of ridiculous questions where the poster answers himself every 5 minutes. Show me one question he has asked that nobody has a solution to?

 

I have to agree, most answers are here already, what we get is just more confusing chaff on what is already an overcrowded series of answers, half of which are wrong.
You have to sort the wheat from the chaff here more chaff does not help.
Some people reply to different questions with the same stock reply they use for most problems, fuse #9 seems to be one of the most common replies as is disconnect the battery, sure they might work once in awhile but mostly not.
Quoting articles from Wiki hardly helps but they get trotted out like newly found Dead Sea scrolls.
If I knew it all I would not read the forum, I have learnt a lot here and fortunately I do have a background that helps me understand problems.

 

zip439, which power bleeder model did you use? The Chrysler or European one? Which adapter?

 

but it is in vain trying to make they reason. and they dont realize that are voluntarily exposing themselves, showing a psychological sick pattern to all.
sort of parading with a banner saying: "look, am nuts and full of hatred"

 

I do not think that to bleed the brakes and ABS module that the pedal has to move. The solenoids inside the ABS should accomplish the bleeding, the pedal just pushes oil and the solenoids push and relax giving that pulsating feeling on the pedal.
I am going to try to bleed the system with the engine running, with the motor turned OFF I am surmising that no oil goes through the ABS and it is bypassed leaving air inside it.
I think it is at least worth a try. With the engine OFF the pedal does not go too low, if the engine is on it goes lower which makes me think that oil is going into the ABS module.
It cannot be the power assist as the linkage to the MC is the same and if the system was full the brake pedal should move the same distance all the time.
I have auto bleeders on each line so it should be easy enough to do.

 

180 - I hope you'll let us know if there is any difference in the results from bleeding with the engine running and the engine off. I agree with you that the pedal seems to have a short throw and is very firm with the engine off. And as you know, as soon as the engine is started, down goes the pedal and it gets soft.. Let us know your results.

Jim

 

I will do that, I have been bugged with this since I had it or since I changed the master cylinder a few months after I got the car, nearly nine years ago, my limited was not like that.

 

[QUOTE=Jim Holian;943792]For what it's worth, I was so disappointed in the braking system that I replaced the rotors and the brake pads, to no avail. Then I replaced all of the fluid and added the stainless steel brake line's. A small improvement but nowhere near what I was wanting. Spent a lot of money and have a braking system that is just acceptable. Too much brake pedal travel and poor stopping action. I guess the problem lies elsewhere. Could be the power assist system for the brakes but I'm not about to dig into that mystery. I'm like you, in that I would like to know what has to be done to bring these Crossfire brakes up to a GOOD braking system. At present, I hope neither one of us, or anyone else, for that matter, gets into a panic stop situation. No wonder so many Crossfire's have front end damage. If anyone has the fool proof answer that is 100% correct,