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Old Jul 10, 2011 | 11:35 AM
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Looking to upgrade the speakers just wondering for those that have what do u recommend? Not looking to spend a ton of money for top of the line quality just a bit more of an upgrade to what we have stock.

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Old Jul 10, 2011 | 04:56 PM
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Old Jul 10, 2011 | 06:29 PM
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Old Jul 10, 2011 | 08:00 PM
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By gosh, you're right-older model. I bought these:

Amazon.com: Infinity Reference 6032cf 6.5-Inch 180-Watt High-Performance Two-Way Speakers (Pair): Electronics

At Amazon, too.
 
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Old Jul 10, 2011 | 08:23 PM
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did you go with "the biggest stereo bang for the buck"? If so what ones did you go with?
 

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Old Jul 10, 2011 | 08:23 PM
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Max, did you have to do any modification to make them fit properly? James
 
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Max, did you have to do any modification to make them fit properly? James
Also do you have a "How to install" write up anywhere on the forum ??
 
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 04:58 AM
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Just my 2 cents:
I wouldn't change the speakers.
Why is that?

Because the Infinity amp/speaker system is not that bad.
The components are not high-end but the integrated shark processor does some useful equalizing and the frequenca response is optimized for the speakers. The infinity amp only produces 22 watt per channel. If you want more control, you'll have to use a much more powerfull amp. But than you run in another problem, because the integrated Shark processor of the infinity amp does a lot of equalizing, has an x-over and it also seems that he does some time correction.

The main problem form my point of view:
The tweeters in the door panel and the bad sounding hu.

The tweeter positition is much to low. So you'll have a real bad staging.

If you have changed the hu (and that is a must, because that's the real bad part in the whole system) you can position some good quality tweeters in the a pillow and run them over the integrated amp. Don't forget to cut them off via a capacitor. Just add them via the integrated fader of the hu. Not to much, than you'll get a much better stage without sounding too much heights.

To improve the sound quality daramtically, just buy an after market hu with integrated eq. First step is to lower the frequency at 160 Hz at about -3 to -4 dB. This will improve the bass quality. No longer these "boom boom" sounds - especially in the coupe.

Also think about dampening the doors and the rear wall where the subs are positioned. This will also improve sound quality.

I attached some photos. The tweeters are Phonocar 2/428. They have an integrated capacitor.
The hu is JVC AVX55.

Photos show the car of german Crossfire forum member Emaxx. Installation was also made by Emaxx.

Added some dampening pictures.
Shows door dampening of german forum member cars sunraiser.
Rear wall shows my own car.
 
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by rush549
did you go with "the biggest stereo bang for the buck"? If so what ones did you go with?
Rush, yes, I did. I went with the 270 uF 100V caps. They can be very hard to find. I did a writeup (buried in that thread) on how I compared a number of different values while listening to an audio setup CD.
 
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by James1549
Max, did you have to do any modification to make them fit properly? James
If you look at the photograph of the speakers on Amazon, you'll see the little "half-hoops" that the screws go through? I had to clip those off. That's it.

Those speakers have a pivoting tweeter-you can point it up for improved imaging. Not perfect, but much better!
 
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by VALKRYDERGUY
Also do you have a "How to install" write up anywhere on the forum ??
Sorry, no I didn't (I just went'a searchin'!). Use the sticky for "Door panel removal" and after that it's 7-8 screws. Easier than the headunit.
 
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by bigblock427
Just my 2 cents:
I wouldn't change the speakers.
Why is that?

Because the Infinity amp/speaker system is not that bad.
The components are not high-end but the integrated shark processor does some useful equalizing and the frequenca response is optimized for the speakers. The infinity amp only produces 22 watt per channel. If you want more control, you'll have to use a much more powerfull amp. But than you run in another problem, because the integrated Shark processor of the infinity amp does a lot of equalizing, has an x-over and it also seems that he does some time correction.

The main problem form my point of view:
The tweeters in the door panel and the bad sounding hu.

The tweeter positition is much to low. So you'll have a real bad staging.

If you have changed the hu (and that is a must, because that's the real bad part in the whole system) you can position some good quality tweeters in the a pillow and run them over the integrated amp. Don't forget to cut them off via a capacitor. Just add them via the integrated fader of the hu. Not to much, than you'll get a much better stage without sounding too much heights.

To improve the sound quality daramtically, just buy an after market hu with integrated eq. First step is to lower the frequency at 160 Hz at about -3 to -4 dB. This will improve the bass quality. No longer these "boom boom" sounds - especially in the coupe.

Also think about dampening the doors and the rear wall where the subs are positioned. This will also improve sound quality.

I attached some photos. The tweeters are Phonocar 2/428. They have an integrated capacitor.
The hu is JVC AVX55.

Photos show the car of german Crossfire forum member Emaxx. Installation was also made by Emaxx.

Added some dampening pictures.
Shows door dampening of german forum member cars sunraiser.
Rear wall shows my own car.
Great information, but 99% of these folks (myself included) just want to replace the door speakers. Inexpensively. $10 for caps and $50 for good speakers is about right.

I know that I wrote up my speaker install- I just can't find it. Another observation: the replacements are much more efficient. Much louder than the OEM mid/tweeter combo for a given volume setting.

BTW- there is a little switch on the tweeter for attenuation of the tweeter. Play with it before you button up the door panel. make sure it is the way you like it. I ended up leaving it in the "-3 dB" setting.
 
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 02:58 PM
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If you just have a budget around 60 USD i would reommend to buy an iPod Nano.
Load ist with high quality mp3 files and put the earphones on.
You can hear music when- andwhereever you want and don't need to modify anything on your Crossfire.
 
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bigblock427
If you just have a budget around 60 USD i would reommend to buy an iPod Nano.
Load ist with high quality mp3 files and put the earphones on.
You can hear music when- andwhereever you want and don't need to modify anything on your Crossfire.
Please refer to post #1.

Or is this beneath you? Sheesh...
 
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 10:30 PM
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I know that I wrote up my speaker install- I just can't find it.
Did a little digging and found this in one of your old posts....

attachment.pdf - Click "Front Door Speakers"
 
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Old Jul 12, 2011 | 06:45 AM
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Gary, you da' Man!

Remember, folks-you'll need a set of small Torx wrenches.
 
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Old Jul 12, 2011 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by bigblock427
Just my 2 cents:
I wouldn't change the speakers.
Why is that?

Because the Infinity amp/speaker system is not that bad.
The components are not high-end but the integrated shark processor does some useful equalizing and the frequenca response is optimized for the speakers. The infinity amp only produces 22 watt per channel. If you want more control, you'll have to use a much more powerfull amp. But than you run in another problem, because the integrated Shark processor of the infinity amp does a lot of equalizing, has an x-over and it also seems that he does some time correction.

The main problem form my point of view:
The tweeters in the door panel and the bad sounding hu.

The tweeter positition is much to low. So you'll have a real bad staging.

If you have changed the hu (and that is a must, because that's the real bad part in the whole system) you can position some good quality tweeters in the a pillow and run them over the integrated amp. Don't forget to cut them off via a capacitor. Just add them via the integrated fader of the hu. Not to much, than you'll get a much better stage without sounding too much heights.

To improve the sound quality daramtically, just buy an after market hu with integrated eq. First step is to lower the frequency at 160 Hz at about -3 to -4 dB. This will improve the bass quality. No longer these "boom boom" sounds - especially in the coupe.

Also think about dampening the doors and the rear wall where the subs are positioned. This will also improve sound quality.

I attached some photos. The tweeters are Phonocar 2/428. They have an integrated capacitor.
The hu is JVC AVX55.

Photos show the car of german Crossfire forum member Emaxx. Installation was also made by Emaxx.

Added some dampening pictures.
Shows door dampening of german forum member cars sunraiser.
Rear wall shows my own car.
What dash do you have it looks leather?!
 
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Old Jul 12, 2011 | 11:05 AM
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What dash do you have it looks leather?!
BigBlock's car is pretty damn sweet....
 
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Old Jul 13, 2011 | 11:08 PM
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I installed the Infinity Reference 6030cs. Bought off ebay. They were an exact fit. 2 ohm and 92db. Even left the OEM grills on.
Looked up the seller and he is out of them. But he has the Kappa 60.9cs which I would have rather had. Same install, direct fit
and much better sound, plus this guy warrants them for 2 yrs. and Free Shipping...!!


NEW INFINITY 60.9CS 6.5 CAR COMPONENT SPEAKERS+2YR WRNT | eBay
 
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Old Jul 18, 2011 | 06:10 PM
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P1010232.JPG Just received these recommended speakers today. So..... do these integrated tweeters take the place of the OEM tweeters or will I be listening to both? i.e., Do I disconnect the existing tweeters or leave them wired up?
 
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